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GA review
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Nominator: TheNuggeteer (talk · contribs) 22:23, 1 December 2025 (UTC)
Reviewer: RandomEditsForWhenIRemember (talk · contribs) 22:41, 6 December 2025 (UTC)
Hi TheNuggeteer, just adding a note here to confirm I'll be reading through this over the next day and adding my review here after that - it will most likely be up come Monday! RandomEditsForWhenIRemember (talk) 22:41, 6 December 2025 (UTC)
| Rate | Attribute | Review Comment |
|---|---|---|
| 1. Well-written: | ||
| 1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct. | See below, mostly fixable imo. | |
| 1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation. | ||
| 2. Verifiable with no original research, as shown by a source spot-check: | ||
| 2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline. | For the most part, looking good! No obvious overcites and typically in the format I'd expect to see. However, would it be possible to add trans-titles attributes to the references? I believe this is generally considered good practice for pieces that rely heavily on non-English sources. | |
| 2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose). | See below. Initial sweep found a dead link so I'll check through some more at a later date. | |
| 2c. it contains no original research. | ||
| 2d. it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism. | No major issues on Copyvio. Flagged lines were direct quotes and were labelled as such. | |
| 3. Broad in its coverage: | ||
| 3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic. | See below | |
| 3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style). | ||
| 4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each. | ||
| 5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute. | ||
| 6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio: | ||
| 6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content. | ||
| 6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions. | ||
| 7. Overall assessment. | ||
Initial source check:
This table checks 9 passages from throughout the article (20.5% of 44 total passages). These passages contain 9 inline citations (18.0% of 50 in the article). Generated with the Veracity user script. RandomEditsForWhenIRemember (talk) 21:27, 8 December 2025 (UTC)
| Reference # | Letter | Source | Archive | Status | Notes |
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| In an interview with ESCBubble, Valentyn added that the song shows love to one's land and the desire to share it with others as well as the exposure of the realities Ukrainians face daily. | |||||
| 3 | escbubble.com | ~ | Yes, but the first half of this should be a quote as it's Valentyn's near-exact words. | ||
| After winning Vidbir, Ziferblat decided to revamp the song once again for Eurovision. Adding orchestral parts in the chorus as well as a lightened chorus, Valeria Gazhala of Television News Service described the track grander following the revamp. | |||||
| 5 | tsn.ua | ~ | First half is accurate, source does indeed say that. Could you please add a quote/trans-quote attribute to the source here? I'm not sure where Valeria called the track 'grander' as I am relying on a translator here and cannot find this. | ||
| On 25 April, Ziferblat performed the song at the Eurovision in Concert—described as the largest promotional concert for Eurovision—in Amsterdam; 30 representatives out of the 37 participants in the contest joined the concert. During their speech, they mentioned a missile attack [uk] on Kryvyi Rih. | |||||
| 9 | corp.suspilne.media | Yes | Source agrees with statement - Suspilne is the national broadcaster in Ukraine, so reliable enough. | ||
| Jon O'Brien of Vulture ranked "Bird of Pray" 20th out of 37 songs in Eurovision 2025, stating that its '70s glam rock and banshee wails were unlikely to connect emotionally, further adding that it would not qualify if performed by other nations. | |||||
| 14 | vulture.com | ~ | The first half is close enough to O'Brien's words that it would be better to convert it to a quote. | ||
| The third stage was the televised final, which took place in February 2025 and featured the acts vying to represent Ukraine in Basel. The winner was selected via the combination of votes from a public vote and an expert jury, the latter of which will be selected by the public. | |||||
| 22 | eurovision.ua | No | Dead link/404 error. | ||
| During the allocation draw held on 28 January 2025, Ukraine was drawn to compete in the first semi-final, performing in the first half of the show; | |||||
| 29 | eurovision.tv | Yes | Source states this as part of a draw list | ||
| One of the backing singers was Khrystyna Starykova, a participant at the 2025 Vidbir national selection. | |||||
| 32 | suspilne.media | Yes | Source agrees: (Translated): One of the backstage specialists is Khrystyna Starykova, who this year was a participant in the national selection for Eurovision, but did not go to the short list. As a result of the russian shelling of the city of Myrnohrad in the Donetsk region, an apartment building was damaged, in which the singer grew up. | ||
| Carlos Marcos of El País described the song as "worthy of seventies aromas," concluding that the participation as "meritorious." | |||||
| 39 | elpais.com | Yes | Couldn't access this directly - I've added a note to the reference. Still, once past the sign-up page, Carlos does indeed say this - however, it's translated. This isn't a problem, but it's best to have this noted when quoting someone. I added a clarification when fixing the ref. | ||
| After the results were announced, the band received 9th place with 218 points: 60 from the jury and 158 from the audience. | |||||
| 43 | kyivindependent.com | Yes | Source agrees: "Ukraine’s Ziferblat placed ninth, receiving 218 points – 60 from the jury and 158 from the audience." | ||
In-dept read, section by section
Lede - mostly good. I would add a line about the sales when released outside of Eurovision, similar to other GA song articles.
- I could not find anything about sales.
Background and composition - "Bird" in the title represents the insecure connection between those separated in the invasion, causing the song's name to be "Bird of Pray" instead of "Bird of Prey." - First, this was good to point out as I was wondering what the reason was for this. However, I think occasionally this article skirts the line of lifting too much from the original source. This sentence is "The bird is a motive for the insecure connection between those who cannot see each other due to war. That’s why the song’s title is “Bird of Pray” and not “Bird of Prey“. from the article just slightly rephrased.
- Rephrased it slightly more.
Music video and promotion - In general in this article, I would make it clearer the quotes you've used are usually translated rather than the direct words used; Novyi Kanal didn't say "joy and sadness", they said "радості й смутку". While it's the same intent, some readers might translate some of the quotes used slightly differently, and while unlike other articles I can't see that leading to any issues here, it's better to err on the side of caution.
- Removed the quotes. It is still attributed though, slightly conforming to WP:NPOV.
Critical reception - This all looks fine to me, it covers what I'd expect such a section would in the format I'd expect. Seems balanced enough.
Eurovision Song Contest 2025: Vidbir 2025 - This could do with some updates, half of it is written as if the section is still ongoing. The last sentence is also very clunky, and also repeats giving the final's date.
- I believe I have fixed the issues.
Eurovision Song Contest 2025: tAt Eurovision -
- Ukraine was drawn to compete in the first semi-final, performing in the first half of the show;[29] they were allocated to perform fifth in the semi-final. This is a bit clunky. Maybe something like "Ukraine was drawn to perform fifth in the semi-finals, performing in the first half of the first semi-final?"
- Fixed.
- Through the director, major changes were made to the staging from the original Vidbir performance - what were the changes?
- The source actually doesnt mention most of the parts of the sentence. Changed to another one.
- Why was pink so important to the performance of the song?
- To presumably fit the "retro vibe." Even in the image, you see mostly pink.
- Ziferblat gained first place in the first semi-final with 137 points, marking their qualification to the final. - just "qualifying for the final" flows better imo.
- Fixed.
- I would put a paragraph break between the "137 points" sentence and Koster's review, since they don't lead into one another, either that or rewrite this a bit to make them do so.
- Done.
- Did the band comment on the reception of the song afterwards at all?
- Sources do not show comments from the band.
Charts - No issues
Release history - Is this section needed? Since there's only been one version released I'm not sure this is adding anything not already covered by the lede and infobox.
- Removed.
Personnel/Credits - This is a standard inclusion for a GA song article, so I would like to see one here before approving this GA.
Misc thoughts -
- Request for a Personnel/Credits section - This is a standard inclusion for a GA song article, so I would like to see one here before approving this GA.
- Any further information about the sales of the song? I assume it didn't reach any level of certification?
- Only few Eurovision entries this year were certificated.
- Not needed for a GA, but please consider adding archive links to the references if you have time - the sort of websites used for song wikiarticles have a nasty habit of taking their old articles down without warning!
RandomEditsForWhenIRemember (talk) 22:36, 14 December 2025 (UTC)
- @RandomEditsForWhenIRemember: finished.
🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 (My "blotter")06:48, 20 December 2025 (UTC)- @RandomEditsForWhenIRemember: fixed the spotcheck issues.
🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 (My "blotter")23:52, 21 December 2025 (UTC)- @TheNuggeteer Thanks, I'll take a look shortly RandomEditsForWhenIRemember (talk) 13:07, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
- @RandomEditsForWhenIRemember: any updates?
🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 (My "blotter")01:03, 27 December 2025 (UTC)- Thanks for waiting and making the requested edits @TheNuggeteer. Rest of this looks good to me now, so I'm happy to approve. RandomEditsForWhenIRemember (talk) 12:38, 28 December 2025 (UTC)
- @RandomEditsForWhenIRemember: any updates?
- @TheNuggeteer Thanks, I'll take a look shortly RandomEditsForWhenIRemember (talk) 13:07, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
- @RandomEditsForWhenIRemember: fixed the spotcheck issues.
@TheNuggeteer: Apologies for the delay on this review, my week turned out to be unexpectedly busy. I have now finished my initial review with my thoughts given above. RandomEditsForWhenIRemember (talk) 22:37, 14 December 2025 (UTC)
Did you know nomination
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- ... that Alexandra Koster of Australia's SBS likened the camera work in Ukraine's Eurovision 2025 performance "Bird of Pray" to having a "schmear of Vaseline"?
🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 (My "blotter") 02:30, 2 January 2026 (UTC).
- Not a review, but I'd suggest changing Special Broadcasting Service to "Australia's SBS" — this is an acronym that does not get expanded a lot in common use. Sammi Brie (she/her · t · c) 07:30, 8 January 2026 (UTC)
May I give a more specific source?
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Tc 13 17 19 (talk • contribs) 20:47, 18 January 2026 (UTC)