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Either add the coat of arms to the infobox or add a link to the article for the coat of arms of Canada to the infobox. All other articles for all other countries on the English Wikipedia have their coat of arms for their respective infoboxes on their respective pages. Stunts1990 (talk) 01:56, 19 September 2025 (UTC)
Not done. The official rendering of the coat of arms can only be used in Coat of arms of Canada under WP:NFCC policy, please see Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2025 March 2#File:Coat of arms of Canada.svg. NotJamestack (talk) 12:52, 2 November 2025 (UTC)
About the coat of arms
[edit]Consider the precedent when dealing with copyrighted flags and coats of arms. In this case, they're only used twice: In the infobox about the jurisdiction, and the dedicated article. That means, use in the infobox about Canada, and the dedicated article. Elsewhere, the user version should be used. The Calgary flag is copyrighted, the Seattle flag is copyrighted, the Fort Worth flag is copyrighted, and they're only used twice. Candidyeoman55 (talk) 14:01, 16 September 2025 (UTC)
- Anything as a symbol of a government agency or the legally entrusted entity is usually copyright held or protected, however most copyright legislation has provisions on what can be regarded as 'fair use'. *Often* this may state something regarded as having an educational use might be included so long as one isn't earning huge amounts of money off it in the name of it being an 'educational' source..CaribDigita (talk) 16:41, 16 September 2025 (UTC).
- Maybe we should include a note like this: [a] The official rendition is subject to Crown copyright. Candidyeoman55 (talk) 16:54, 16 September 2025 (UTC)
- I mean: The infobox should be like this:
- Flag
- Coat of arms [note 1]
- And when hovering over the note, a pop up should show up, stating: The official rendition is subject to Crown copyright. Candidyeoman55 (talk) 17:27, 16 September 2025 (UTC)
- I don't know the legal situation in Canada. But in the UK, the royal arms are protected by perpetual crown copyright as a royal prerogative. That means that they will never be in the public domain.
- As Canada inherited the same uncodified royal prerogatives as exist in the UK, and as the government there considers their arms to be the arms of the king in right of Canada, then unless Canada has legislated that royal prerogative away, the situation should be the same as in the UK. But I'm unsure what Canadian legislation says. Dgp4004 (talk) 13:14, 2 November 2025 (UTC)
- Yes, it does seem that the situation is the same. Section 12 of the Copyright Act: 'Without prejudice to any rights or privileges of the Crown...'[1] That means, not affecting the royal prerogative. The equivalent UK legislation is the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988: Section 171. 'Nothing in this part affects...any right or privilege of the Crown subsisting otherwise than under an enactment'.[2] Dgp4004 (talk) 13:30, 2 November 2025 (UTC)
- Canadian copyright - Quote "The use of the Government of Canada’s official symbols is restricted to the communications, operations and activities of the Government of Canada. The official symbols, shown below, including all of their design and colour variations, are protected against unauthorized use in Canada and abroad........Designs, logos or marks that are similar to, or that could be easily mistaken for, the official symbols are pursued by the Government of Canada as unauthorized use. Moxy🍁 14:21, 2 November 2025 (UTC)
- If we're still talking about this... For curiosity's sake, a while ago I checked many of the different language Wikipedias to see how many include the coat of arms. From what I've seen, we're an outlier. See de:Kanada, es:Canadá, fr:Canada, pt:Canadá, zh:加拿大. If someone can find another major language that does omit the coat of arms, I'd love to see it, because I couldn't find one. So all things considered, the legal argument may not be so strong. I still don't think it should be included, but for me it's just clutter, I hesitate to pass judgement beyond that. MediaKyle (talk) 14:37, 2 November 2025 (UTC)
- Yes, it's the same protections applied to the UK Royal Arms:
- https://www.royal.uk/sites/default/files/documents/2025-02/ROYAL%20ARMS%20BLUE%20BOOKLET%20-%202025.pdf
- And they will never be out of copyright. However, my understanding of Wikipedia's practices is that creations based on the blazon (like Sodacan's creations) are quite permissible and rely on US law as that is where the servers are. These depictions based on the blazon are already in use on some pages. Indeed, it seems that even the official depiction is in use on the Coat of arms of Canada page on a fair use basis. Dgp4004 (talk) 15:04, 2 November 2025 (UTC)
- I guess there is a consensus at English Wikipedia to only follow US copyright law.
- We cannot mislead readers into thinking Canada has no coat of arms. Candidyeoman55 (talk) 15:39, 2 November 2025 (UTC)
- @Candidyeoman55, Moxy, and Dgp4004: If you want to discuss about the user-made reproduction for the coat of arms at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Heraldry and vexillology#Unofficial rendering of coat of arms. Absolutiva 06:00, 17 December 2025 (UTC)
- Was checking in on if any progress had been made on this, I will leave a summary of the legal situation here. In the context of the page you reference, the official symbols are protected as prohibited marks, a status similar to trademarks which the coat of arms gets as
the Royal Arms, Crest or Standard
(Trademarks Act 9(1)(a)). Ironically, the flag of Canada also gets this exact protection and I wonder if you would be in support of removing the flag. Trademarks nor prohibited marks are not copyright, and quoting a Wikimedia Foundation memo published after a Board meeting on the topic: Some media may be subject to restrictions other than copyright in some jurisdictions, but are still considered free work. In English, "works protected under a status other than copyright are considered free works for the purposes of Wikipedia", even ifrespect for the rule of law is a Canadian value that us Canadians have been trying to uphold for two decades now.
This topic is further explored in WP:SOSUMI, an essay you have refused to read (apologies for the FOC violations but I do believe it to be incredibly relevant here) on the basis that it is not a guideline or policy.In fact, the link you reference (a website, not a law) does not even claim that it is copyright, it calls them official marks, a subtype of prohibited marks. The site references three trademark numbers (not copyright, as you seem oblivious to, and thus allowed on Wikipedia already, but I will continue for the purpose of redundancy), 0972257, 0972258 and 0907729, which are all listed asProhibited Mark; Arms, Crest or Emblem
underParagraph 9(1)
, the exact status I have told you it was.Another defence you have used to say that the coat of arms is copyrighted, is that it is a work of the Canadian Government, and thus protected by conventional copyright. On that I encourage you to read Wikipedia:Copyright on emblems (another essay you refuse to consider for the same reason as earlier) as if it was a part of this reply.In conclusion, please stop repeating this seemingly bad faith argument, given I have on numerous occasions explained to you that it is false and there seems to be no reason why you have not taken that on board. Please do not take this as a personal attack, I simply do not believe your ad nauseam repetition of this argument entirely based on your interpretation of a vaguely worded webpage is beneficial to the discussions on this topic. I also advise you to read WP:JUSTESSAY, and the see also pages linked there, on your tendency to entirely dismiss essays in discussions. Coleisforeditor (talk) 18:36, 22 December 2025 (UTC)- See the below discussion "Speaking of the coat of arms" ... We're done talking about this for right now... Come back in six months to a year. Enjoy the holidays or something. Thanks, MediaKyle (talk) 18:45, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
- Okay, it will stay without a coat of arms for a while, but we can't mislead people into thinking there's no coat of arms. We need to find a temporary alternative until the dispute is solved. Candidyeoman55 (talk) 18:48, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
- I tried adding a warning with a template I found at the Uruguay page, but they essentially reverted my edit. Candidyeoman55 (talk) 18:49, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
- No one is being misled -- the coat of arms is covered under "Symbols". Readers know how to do CTRL+F if they're curious whether or not Canada has a coat of arms, or they can type Coat of arms of Canada into the search bar. No alternative is necessary. MediaKyle (talk) 18:50, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
- I think that you cannot assume readers know that, many people who read Wikipedia are quite tech illiterate and many readers also only look at the infobox and do not actually read the article. with that said I am not in favor of adding the coat of arms or even a free variant to the infobox and instead I believe there should simply be a note in the infobox linking the page of the coat of arms similar to what is done with the "flag" of Austria-Hungary though I understand that it is a very different situation. PharaohCrab speak𓀁 works𓀨 19:03, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
- I do not intend to restart the discussion, I moreso intend to point out this seemingly bad faith argument brought up ad nauseam. You are welcome to take your Christmas break and I personally do not intend to interact further, at least in the near future. I might write an essay or something for future reference. Coleisforeditor (talk) 18:51, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
- Okay, it will stay without a coat of arms for a while, but we can't mislead people into thinking there's no coat of arms. We need to find a temporary alternative until the dispute is solved. Candidyeoman55 (talk) 18:48, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
- Never remove flags, they're widely used everywhere at Wikimedia projects. It would be ugly, other countries have flags but a large country would not. The use of flags is necessary in many contexts where words would not convey the message. Candidyeoman55 (talk) 18:47, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
- Note that I am only bringing up that the flag has the same status as the coat of arms, and if Moxy actually had the intention to remove copyright-offending materials they would also oppose the flag being in the infobox. I do not personally propose to remove the flag from the infobox. Coleisforeditor (talk) 18:55, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
- @Coleisforeditor: I discussed about proposed change a free equivalent version to the coat of arms of Canada by Sodacan, but makes no consensus.
- Separately, there's an ongoing discussion at Talk:Coat of arms of the United Kingdom#Official rendering of the coat of arms and WT:VEX#Unofficial rendering of coat of arms, whenever to include a copyrighted version of the arms or not. Absolutiva 22:17, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
- @Coleisforeditor no guess work pls ...don't speak for me. Moxy🍁 23:20, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
- I am not speaking for you, and I am not saying you have said anything other than that any depiction of the coats of arms is a violation of copyright per https://www.canada.ca/en/government/system/government-communications/federal-identity-requirements/legal-protection-official-symbols-government-canada.html which is something you said here in the same section 3 indentations up.
p.s. you can do @pings with{{ping|username}}, your ping was not an actual wikilink so it would not have pinged me if I was not subscribed Coleisforeditor (talk) 23:28, 22 December 2025 (UTC)- Note how the flag isn't listed..... it's simply too generic to be copyrighted in that manner. Moxy🍁 23:35, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
- The flag does not need to be listed on this one webpage for it to be protected as a prohibited mark. It is protected as a prohibited mark as
the arms, crest or flag adopted and used at any time by Canada or by any province or municipal corporation in Canada in respect of which the Registrar has, at the request of the Government of Canada or of the province or municipal corporation concerned, given public notice of its adoption and use
(Trademarks Act 9(1)(e)). It is not protected by copyright, neither is the coat of arms. You can verify that the flag of Canada is protected as a prohibited mark on the trademarks database, where it is trademark numbers 0902326 and 0972260. See how under category on these pages it says "Prohibited Mark".You can then verify the coat of arms as a prohibited mark by checking the three trademark numbers listed on the website you keep linking. The numbers are 0972257, 0972258 and 0907729. All three of these links, when you go to "Category", say "Prohibited Mark". They do not say "copyright". Why do you think it is copyrighted? Coleisforeditor (talk) 23:51, 22 December 2025 (UTC)- Not to interested in explaining the difference for the 20th time in 20 years....but basically.....both the Canadian Flag and Coat of Arms are protected official symbols, but the key difference is permission: the Flag (Maple Leaf) allows some commercial use if un-altered with a disclaimer, while the Coat of Arms is much more strict, reserved for government use only, requiring specific approval under the Trademarks Act and Copyright Act, preventing private commercial exploitation - (start your research here). For some odd reason the Wikimedia foundation (or perhaps I should say Wikimedia Commons) see usage of most national flags as inherent (but not for municipal ones - very odd). They do follow some basics copyright laws for official arms... that's why we have all these recreations all over because their usage is restricted...the odd thing they do (as in Wikipedia Commons) about arms is ignore key parts of many copyright laws of official arms that they don't see as internationally recognized (because Zimbabwe is not a signatory to these acts...lol)... that is the basis of the conflict here. Canadians are generally very educated and have a thing for respect of the law, thus find Commons position odd. For Canada that specific wording - as you linked above - that excludes the Canadian flag is....... official symbols, shown below, including all of their design and colour variations, are protected against unauthorized use in Canada and abroad under......Designs, logos or marks that are similar to, or that could be easily mistaken for, the official symbols are pursued by the Government of Canada as unauthorized use, thus it's odd they allow these recreations that look so similar despite the laws. Moxy🍁 01:45, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
- So the arms of Canada is in perpetual Crown copyright? Absolutiva 04:18, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
- Yes - Crown copyright#Canada...but Commons thinks otherwise. Most Canadian sites explain the copyright difference Government of Canada symbols are protected under the Trade-marks Act. The Arms of Canada, the Government of Canada signature, and the Canada wordmark are exclusive trademarks of the Government of Canada. Individuals or institutions external to the Government of Canada cannot use these marks without prior authorization. VS Canadians are free to use and display the National Flag of Canada as they wish. However, the Trade-marks Act protects the National Flag of Canada against unauthorized commercial use Moxy🍁 05:06, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
- Regarding on perpetual Crown copyright, should we use a free alternative to coat of arms by Sodacan, similar than the United Kingdom's coat of arms based on the blazon. Absolutiva 05:17, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
- The Government-made render of the arms of Canada falls under both crown copyright (as a work of the government) and prohibited mark (as the coat of arms). To renders of the coat of arms made by people who aren't the government, you get conventional copyright (Sodacan has released their rendition under a free license), and prohibited mark status. Prohibited mark status is a status like a trademark, and is not copyright. Wikimedia Foundation policy is that materials under restrictions other than copyright are okay and, granted they are not copyrighted, are freely licensed. Coleisforeditor (talk) 09:59, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
- The rendition has been released in the public domain by some unidentifiable Wikipedia editor.... but to most people it's clearly a very close copy without significant change - as in just a slightly altered rendition that can be mistaken for the original version, thus is covered by the explanation above. Moxy🍁 16:12, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
- Yes - Crown copyright#Canada...but Commons thinks otherwise. Most Canadian sites explain the copyright difference Government of Canada symbols are protected under the Trade-marks Act. The Arms of Canada, the Government of Canada signature, and the Canada wordmark are exclusive trademarks of the Government of Canada. Individuals or institutions external to the Government of Canada cannot use these marks without prior authorization. VS Canadians are free to use and display the National Flag of Canada as they wish. However, the Trade-marks Act protects the National Flag of Canada against unauthorized commercial use Moxy🍁 05:06, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
- Wikipedia does not care if for a given work they do not explicitly say you may not use anything, it must be freely licensed, you massively misunderstand copyright policy on Wikimedia wikis. But either way, it is not copyrighted (it is a prohibited mark!!). Crown copyright is an entirely separate thing from prohibited marks, a simple Google search will tell you such. You fundamentally misunderstand copyright law. Most flags are allowed because they are simple and cannot be copyrighted (search threshold of originality), because laws have specific protections for them, or because copyrighted elements were drawn by someone who put it in the public domain based on the legal definition of the flag, which cannot be copyrighted. I cannot emphasise enough that prohibited marks are not copyright, and your refusal to understand that or indicate at all that you are willing to acknowledge that is flat out just not beneficial to the discussion. The purpose of Wikipedia is to be an encyclopedia of free knowledge, not to follow specific national laws placing restrictions on specific symbols, if that were so should we remove the hammer and sickle from articles about communist parties because some countries like Poland and Ukraine have banned them? Should we remove the swastika from the page for the Nazi party because it is illegal in Germany? Obviously not, because those are not copyright restrictions. The goal of Wikipedia is to spread free knowledge, not to be a good follower of the law. A random government website saying they will enforce their prohibited marks does not change the law nor does it change Wikimedia policy. Coleisforeditor (talk) 09:48, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
- Crown copyright does apply to the government svg render because it is a work of the Canadian government, I should add, but I have not been advocating the government render to be used. Coleisforeditor (talk) 09:51, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
- So the arms of Canada is in perpetual Crown copyright? Absolutiva 04:18, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
- Not to interested in explaining the difference for the 20th time in 20 years....but basically.....both the Canadian Flag and Coat of Arms are protected official symbols, but the key difference is permission: the Flag (Maple Leaf) allows some commercial use if un-altered with a disclaimer, while the Coat of Arms is much more strict, reserved for government use only, requiring specific approval under the Trademarks Act and Copyright Act, preventing private commercial exploitation - (start your research here). For some odd reason the Wikimedia foundation (or perhaps I should say Wikimedia Commons) see usage of most national flags as inherent (but not for municipal ones - very odd). They do follow some basics copyright laws for official arms... that's why we have all these recreations all over because their usage is restricted...the odd thing they do (as in Wikipedia Commons) about arms is ignore key parts of many copyright laws of official arms that they don't see as internationally recognized (because Zimbabwe is not a signatory to these acts...lol)... that is the basis of the conflict here. Canadians are generally very educated and have a thing for respect of the law, thus find Commons position odd. For Canada that specific wording - as you linked above - that excludes the Canadian flag is....... official symbols, shown below, including all of their design and colour variations, are protected against unauthorized use in Canada and abroad under......Designs, logos or marks that are similar to, or that could be easily mistaken for, the official symbols are pursued by the Government of Canada as unauthorized use, thus it's odd they allow these recreations that look so similar despite the laws. Moxy🍁 01:45, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
- The flag does not need to be listed on this one webpage for it to be protected as a prohibited mark. It is protected as a prohibited mark as
- Note how the flag isn't listed..... it's simply too generic to be copyrighted in that manner. Moxy🍁 23:35, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
- I am not speaking for you, and I am not saying you have said anything other than that any depiction of the coats of arms is a violation of copyright per https://www.canada.ca/en/government/system/government-communications/federal-identity-requirements/legal-protection-official-symbols-government-canada.html which is something you said here in the same section 3 indentations up.
- Note that I am only bringing up that the flag has the same status as the coat of arms, and if Moxy actually had the intention to remove copyright-offending materials they would also oppose the flag being in the infobox. I do not personally propose to remove the flag from the infobox. Coleisforeditor (talk) 18:55, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
- See the below discussion "Speaking of the coat of arms" ... We're done talking about this for right now... Come back in six months to a year. Enjoy the holidays or something. Thanks, MediaKyle (talk) 18:45, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
- Canadian copyright - Quote "The use of the Government of Canada’s official symbols is restricted to the communications, operations and activities of the Government of Canada. The official symbols, shown below, including all of their design and colour variations, are protected against unauthorized use in Canada and abroad........Designs, logos or marks that are similar to, or that could be easily mistaken for, the official symbols are pursued by the Government of Canada as unauthorized use. Moxy🍁 14:21, 2 November 2025 (UTC)
- Yes, it does seem that the situation is the same. Section 12 of the Copyright Act: 'Without prejudice to any rights or privileges of the Crown...'[1] That means, not affecting the royal prerogative. The equivalent UK legislation is the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988: Section 171. 'Nothing in this part affects...any right or privilege of the Crown subsisting otherwise than under an enactment'.[2] Dgp4004 (talk) 13:30, 2 November 2025 (UTC)
- Maybe we should include a note like this: [a] The official rendition is subject to Crown copyright. Candidyeoman55 (talk) 16:54, 16 September 2025 (UTC)
- Anything as a symbol of a government agency or the legally entrusted entity is usually copyright held or protected, however most copyright legislation has provisions on what can be regarded as 'fair use'. *Often* this may state something regarded as having an educational use might be included so long as one isn't earning huge amounts of money off it in the name of it being an 'educational' source..CaribDigita (talk) 16:41, 16 September 2025 (UTC).
Can we add this to the top:
[edit]Just as the opposite (Kannada includes {{confused}} pointing to Canada) exists? Faster than Thunder (talk | contributions) Tamil speakers: Contribute here 19:22, 15 October 2025 (UTC)
Done –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:25, 15 October 2025 (UTC)
- Just seeing this now I didn't realize it was a discussion.... I remove this because long ago we discussed it and put it in Canada (disambiguation)....along with every other possibility that's come up (added to the top) over the years to avoid hatnote spam. This format related to accessibility is based on two concepts... WP:HATNOTERULES = "Ideally, limit hatnotes to just one at the top of the page or section" and WP:RELATED "Disambiguation hatnotes are intended to link to separate topics that could be referred to by the same title, of the article or any of its redirects." Moxy🍁 23:17, 25 October 2025 (UTC)
- I wonder whether we should start a discussion about whether to include:
- at the top of the article. Faster than Thunder (talk | contributions) Tamil speakers: Contribute here 03:32, 31 October 2025 (UTC)
- Think it should be excluded, per Moxy. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:37, 31 October 2025 (UTC)
- 100% agree it should be excluded. —Joeyconnick (talk) 16:47, 31 October 2025 (UTC)
- Think it should be excluded, per Moxy. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:37, 31 October 2025 (UTC)
- Just seeing this now I didn't realize it was a discussion.... I remove this because long ago we discussed it and put it in Canada (disambiguation)....along with every other possibility that's come up (added to the top) over the years to avoid hatnote spam. This format related to accessibility is based on two concepts... WP:HATNOTERULES = "Ideally, limit hatnotes to just one at the top of the page or section" and WP:RELATED "Disambiguation hatnotes are intended to link to separate topics that could be referred to by the same title, of the article or any of its redirects." Moxy🍁 23:17, 25 October 2025 (UTC)
Speaking of the coat of arms
[edit]We should use the user-made rendition, but with a note explaining the crown copyright of the official rendition.
I had this idea after seeing the Uruguay article. There, the flag on the infobox has a note explaining there are three flags.
What I meant is that the user made rendition would be displayed, but with a note explaining the situation. Like this:
Coat of arms[b]
And the text would explain: The official rendition used by the Canadian government is crown copyrighted. Therefore its use is restricted to the specific page about the coat of arms of Canada.
We cannot mislead people into thinking Canada has no coat of arms. Turkey has no coat of arms displayed because Turkey has no official coat of arms. Candidyeoman55 (talk) 19:36, 10 November 2025 (UTC)
- This issue will not be resolved by philosophical arguments here. Neither is it solved by offering a "reasonable facsimile". In order to use a copyright image we need permission from the copyright owner. In this case that is the Canadian government. Until we have that, no amount of sophistry is going to change the situation. Mediatech492 (talk) 10:42, 11 November 2025 (UTC)
- Wikipedia has a non-free content policy, take a look at it. Candidyeoman55 (talk) 11:22, 11 November 2025 (UTC)
- It is conventional to provide a link when you request someone look at off-article wikipedia content. Mediatech492 (talk) 09:12, 13 November 2025 (UTC)
- Wikipedia:Non-free content; Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria. Candidyeoman55 (talk) 09:23, 13 November 2025 (UTC)
- To quote the [[Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria]] : "Non-free content must be a work which has been published or publicly displayed outside Wikipedia by (or with permission from) the copyright holder". Mediatech492 (talk) 07:37, 14 November 2025 (UTC)
- In the Qatar case, the coat of arms is copyrighted, and the copyrighted version only appears in 2 articles: the article "Qatar" (in the info box), and the specific page "Coat of arms of Qatar". Elsewhere, a free version is used.
- This is also the approach with copyrighted flags.
- The non-use of the coat of arms of Canada here misleads people into thinking the country doesn't have one. Candidyeoman55 (talk) 08:39, 14 November 2025 (UTC)
- Mediatech492, I think you've misunderstood the quote I'm afraid. That's just defining non-free work. That quotation doesn't mean that permission must be sought for Wikipedia - it means that the work must have been displayed *outside* Wikipedia with the permission of the copyright holder. So for example, displayed on a building or a published document. Dgp4004 (talk) 10:54, 14 November 2025 (UTC)
- What I meant is that the approach I described is the approach of English Wikipedia. English Wikipedia only follows US copyright law. Non-free content cannot be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons. Candidyeoman55 (talk) 10:58, 14 November 2025 (UTC)
- To quote the [[Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria]] : "Non-free content must be a work which has been published or publicly displayed outside Wikipedia by (or with permission from) the copyright holder". Mediatech492 (talk) 07:37, 14 November 2025 (UTC)
- Wikipedia:Non-free content; Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria. Candidyeoman55 (talk) 09:23, 13 November 2025 (UTC)
- It is conventional to provide a link when you request someone look at off-article wikipedia content. Mediatech492 (talk) 09:12, 13 November 2025 (UTC)
- Wikipedia has a non-free content policy, take a look at it. Candidyeoman55 (talk) 11:22, 11 November 2025 (UTC)
- This issue will not be resolved by philosophical arguments here. Neither is it solved by offering a "reasonable facsimile". In order to use a copyright image we need permission from the copyright owner. In this case that is the Canadian government. Until we have that, no amount of sophistry is going to change the situation. Mediatech492 (talk) 10:42, 11 November 2025 (UTC)
- Candidyeoman55, I would appreciate it if you would give this a rest. I think most of us are tired of this discussion. Try another RfC in six months to a year. Cheers, MediaKyle (talk) 13:04, 14 November 2025 (UTC)
- I recommend removing the infobox, unlike Politics of Israel, Politics of New Zealand, etc. Absolutiva 04:02, 30 November 2025 (UTC)
- Why? Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 04:28, 30 November 2025 (UTC)
- It is not needed for fewer politics-related articles. But well-known examples like Politics of Australia does not have an infobox without given consensus. Absolutiva 05:01, 30 November 2025 (UTC)
- Never remove the country infobox in articles about countries. It will be reverted. It has data unrelated to the coat of arms.
- The fact that other countries do it differently is irrelevant. We could just as easily argue that those countries should have infoboxes for their politics articles because Canada does. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 14:31, 30 November 2025 (UTC)
- And it would be better to have this discussion on the Talk page for the article: Talk:Politics of Canada. Why raise it here? Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 14:44, 30 November 2025 (UTC)
- Because its off-topic article, my mistake. Absolutiva 12:12, 1 December 2025 (UTC)
- If it was for me, we would use the official coat of arms twice: At the article Canada (this one), and the article Coat of arms of Canada. Elsewhere, the free version would be used. Candidyeoman55 (talk) 09:48, 30 November 2025 (UTC)
- It would be consistent with how Wikipedia treats copyrighted flags and copyrighted coats of arms or emblems. Cases like Calgary, Edmonton, Seattle, Fort Worth, Cocos (Keeling) Islands, and others that didn't come to mind here. Candidyeoman55 (talk) 09:51, 30 November 2025 (UTC)
- Yes, we know what your position is. It has not gained traction here, and the consensus does not accept your position. One of the principles of consensus is that editors should accept that their position has not gained consensus, not keep raising the issue. As MediaKyle said, please give it a rest. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 14:35, 30 November 2025 (UTC)
- It would be consistent with how Wikipedia treats copyrighted flags and copyrighted coats of arms or emblems. Cases like Calgary, Edmonton, Seattle, Fort Worth, Cocos (Keeling) Islands, and others that didn't come to mind here. Candidyeoman55 (talk) 09:51, 30 November 2025 (UTC)
- Never remove the country infobox in articles about countries. It will be reverted. It has data unrelated to the coat of arms.
- It is not needed for fewer politics-related articles. But well-known examples like Politics of Australia does not have an infobox without given consensus. Absolutiva 05:01, 30 November 2025 (UTC)
- Why? Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 04:28, 30 November 2025 (UTC)
- I recommend removing the infobox, unlike Politics of Israel, Politics of New Zealand, etc. Absolutiva 04:02, 30 November 2025 (UTC)
(edited) The use of the coat of arms is -not necessary- to understand the country of Canada. Canada is much more than this symbol. It can make a difference in government or political articles. So let's finally let this rest. Alaney2k (talk) 11:49, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
- Agreed. I'd love a moritorium on discussing this topic unless something new can be added. It's happened on other pages such as Ireland, Republic of Ireland and others. The last couple of years the coat of arms has just dominated the talk pages and conclusions seems to have been reached to exclude it. We need to either completely drop it, or have a final RFC that follows process that includes a discussion moritorium after the results one way or another. Canterbury Tail talk 15:30, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
- I also support a moratorium on further discussions about the coat of arms for now. I think we should have another RfC in about a year, and hopefully next time it won't get so out of hand and can actually be closed. MediaKyle (talk) 15:34, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
- I kinda expected someone would've proposed a moratorium someday. This doesn't seem to be changing much. Probably a good idea. kxeon talk 21:25, 24 December 2025 (UTC)
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- Change "population_estimate" to 41,575,585 and the reference should be
<ref>{{Cite web |date=December 17, 2025 |title=Population estimates, quarterly |url=https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=1710000901 |access-date=December 17, 2025 |publisher=[[Statistics Canada]] |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20251217211652/https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=1710000901 |archive-date=December 17, 2025 |url-status=live}}</ref> - Change "population_estimate_year" to "2025 Q4"
However, I don't know how the "IncreaseNeutral" is supposed to used. The estimated population supposedly decreased from Q3 to Q4 2025, but it's increased since the 2021 census, so I don't know which applies here. ~2025-41549-18 (talk) 21:46, 17 December 2025 (UTC)
- Please do NOT change the estimate unless you are also updating the source's archived copy, which people constantly fail to do. —Joeyconnick (talk) 22:27, 19 December 2025 (UTC)
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