Talk:Clariion

Updated the CX-3 series info.. :D SirFozzie 02:30, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Isnt the table for the CX3 UltraScale series faulty? For those that have access to the EMC powerlink's pages, it is stated the the series consist of 2 SPS's rather than 4 as stated.

Looking at the installation guide of a CX3-80, this is indeed true. The cabinet has two SPSs and requires two power sources, unless the current needed exceeds 24A (in which case four power sources are needed). ~~WhiteTimberwolf 12:48, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Still needs work

Much of this article still reads like a spec sheet/marketing brochure. I cleaned up the first paragraph and got rid of the marketing statements but much work is still needed.

What about the CX3-20, CX3-40, and CX3-80 systems? In fact, the CX3-20/40/80 lines were extended to include a CX3-20i and CX3-20f (iSCSI and FC) label. Skipping from CX300 to CX4-120 seems odd. And don't forget the CX3-10.

Using the tables and listing the maximum capacity is a moving target. The maximum capacity depends on the largest supported HDD. For example, the CX3-20 orginally supported 59TB but now with the refreshed models a CX3-20 supports 83TB. In fact, the original 59TB max capacity was based on 500GB SATA II drives until the 1TB SATAII drives came on the market. While a FLARE update may have been required (I don't recall) the system simply increased its max capacity.

Using max number of drives rather than max capacity, or identifying the max capacity given a specific drive size, would seem better.

Historical significance

It seems the significance of this product line is quite an interesting story which perhaps the facts of this article could better support:

Data General was a dying minicomputer company and CLARiiON saved it. The only remnant left of Data General today is CLARiiON. The rest of this once high flying innovator is gone.
CLARiiON was a small, under-funded storage project in a company whose DNA was computer systems. The original team had to struggle to get resources and fight for recognition. If not for the efforts of some dedicated individuals there probably would be nothing left of DG. Ironically there were some (perhaps many) in the company that never wanted to sell CLARiiON on the open market becasue they felt it would hurt sales of DG's computer systems (which exclusively offered CLARiiON).
Even more ironically, Tom West, the well-known computer systems development 'guru' at DG, who was responsible for much of the 'systems-centric' mindset at the company, took over CLARiiON development, ostensibly because he saw the writing on the wall for servers.
EMC bought DG and paid $1.1B. EMC only cared about CLARiiON and perhaps some other technology patents, but really CLARiiON was 99% of the reason for EMC's purchase of the company.
EMC's resources and execution have made CLARiiON one of the leading products in the industry today.

This story seems much more noteworthy and historically significant than many of the spec-sheet like notations currently represented. It would be good to have some support from others who may be able to convey these facts more accurately than I can. --Twostardav 23:23, 9 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In addition it doesn't mention the marketing history behind the CLARiiON name.

Data General's first minicomputer was called a NOVA. When DG entered the Unix field they brought out a new system which was called the AViiON. The name came from NOVA (in caps & backward) and the number 2 (ii) - hense AViiON.

CLARiiON was the storage product that went with the new generation AViiON hardware and for marketing consistency they named it in the same format with caps & two little i's as CLARiiON. It is not known if there is actually an acronym for what CLARiiON may mean. [D. Cook, March 29/07]

I was the Product Manager for the HADA/HADA II and the original Product Manager for the newly founded CLARiiON division at Data General. I was also part of the original group of people that selected the CLARiiON name. The statements above that suggested that we were looking for a name that would conform to the AViiON style and naming convention are correct. We went thru numerous iterations without success. Strangely enough, Ronald (Ron) Skates' wife suggested the Clarion name after noticing it at the cosmetic counter of a local mall. It worked and we went for it. [K.Garrison, July 2022]

I was also the Director of Mergers and Acquistions at EMC when the decision was made to purchase Data General, my previous employer. Yes, CLARiiON, was the major motivation for the purchase. That said, Data General had a substantial service organization at the time that could be easily integrated into EMC support group. Data General had also fought off a RAID 5 lawsuit by IBM that added value. I was a party to the IBM RAID 5 lawsuit while and employee of Data General and provided testimony in the case. [K.Garrison, July 2025]

As the Data General Product Manager responsible for the HADA/HADA II product lines, and the first Product Manager for the CLARiiON Business Unit within Data General, I totally disagree with the statements that the development effort was "underfunded", that there was substantial resistance within Data General to the development and promotion of the HADA II (renamed CLARiiON) for attachmentment to 3rd party servers, and that Tom West (who i worked for during the incubation phase of the CLARiiON business unit) saw the writing on the wall regarding DG's propriety and open systems. If anything, Tom West, was a strong supporter of DG's investment in array storage technology and saw CLARiiON as an area of investment for the future of the company. As for those on the server side of DG, they were strong supporters of the original HADA/CLARiiON product line. I truly believe they believed more about doing what they could to make DG successult rather than protecting their individual product lines. [K.Garrison, July 2025]

Added advert tag; still reads like an advert. Alex 19:30, 17 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Does it still do so now? Please review. Thanks. ~~WhiteTimberwolf 12:48, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This reads like an advert to me, too. Just looks like lifts from the corporate website. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.2.0.92 (talk) 10:27, 18 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

16 GB or 16 GiB?

The article defines 1 GB as 10⁹ B (i.e., 1000³ B). It then quotes cache sizes of up to 16 GB, which would mean 16 × 1000³ B. Should the cache size read 16 GiB (i.e., 16 × 1024³ B)? Thunderbird2 (talk) 19:55, 1 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

memory or cache size?

I think the 4GB "Cache" size on the CX4-120 is the total RAM. On my CX4-120 only 400MB is available for cache. The rest is used by FLAIR and/or the integrated Windows XP OS. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rmeden (talk • contribs) 23:12, 15 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The article confuses the Celerra product line with the CLARiiON product line. CLARiiON did not have data movers or run any Unix-like operating systems to my knowledge. CLARiiON had service processors that ran FLARE. Also, the CX4-960 product line had a max of at least 24 FE ports, and could support at least 4096 HA hosts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.174.243.186 (talk) 17:32, 15 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Totally agree. The Celerra and CLARiiON architectures have nothing in common. The Celerra architecture was actually purchased from Digital Equipment Corporation (DEC) and had nothing to do with the Data General acquired tech. Also, the Windows XP layer was added in the 3rd generation and was added to facilitate better management and potential future intergration with window's server software. 184.177.159.108 (talk) 17:31, 22 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Talk:Clariion

Still needs work

Historical significance

Advert?

16 GB or 16 GiB?

memory or cache size?

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