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	Emo was a Music good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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]]Emo was shaped by other music genres, such as post hardcore, heavy metal, and grunge. Although bands such as Nirvana and Weezer aren't emo, they did help shape what emo is today.

Believe it or not I did Emo Dance Music in the 90s and actually influenced Nirvana! So the influence goes back and forth. See also: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/0GvqMH5S5wpYWW2L0jzRUXIT Bee (talk) 08:46, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Source?

Hey so "Pet Sounds, the Beach Boys' 1966 album, is sometimes considered the first emo album." is an insane claim, and I don't see any source on it linked... should be removed or a source should be found. Foxhuman716 (talk) 23:53, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It is sourced to [1], but even the source recognises it's not really correct. I agree it should be removed, it's a majorly WP:FRINGE take. Issan Sumisu (talk) 08:24, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

is that source not just saying "people say this" without giving a source as of people saying this? in that case i dont really think that's a source at all Foxhuman716 (talk) 15:24, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That is exactly the kind of source needed to support a statement of this kind. Issan Sumisu (talk) 12:18, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the OP: It's a very ridiculous assertion and we need better support for it (e.g., multiple sources) if we're going to include it in the article. The source itself implies that it's a dubious assertion. In other words: we don't need to include every opinion that can be reliably sourced--we can use our collective editorial judgement and include only the most relevant and representative views. The idea that Pet Sounds is an emo record is clearly not a view that we need to include, even if reliably (singly) sourced. I've removed it. Yilloslime (talk) 04:30, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ahmad Aiyii 196.190.62.136 (talk) 11:46, 13 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Helen Gurley Brown

She possibly coined the word ‘emo’ as a clipping of ‘emotion’ leading to the concept of Emo music and its associated subculture (see Wiktionary for more info). Overlordnat1 (talk) 12:20, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Remove Beatdown hardcore from the Sass section. It does NOT take influence from beatdown, who wrote that? Realdvdman (talk) 18:29, 17 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Done I have removed beatdown hardcore as there is no source to support its inclusion. Day Creature (talk) 00:05, 18 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Suggested minor edit

"a viral website, Is This Band Emo?, was created to address one fan's opinion on this question". I would change "address" to "share" or "publish" etc. since 'addressing' the person's opinion suggests that it is being responded to by another person. ~2025-31868-61 (talk) 16:32, 7 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Subsequent origins

I think the infobox's "subsequent" origins should be removed (both the cultural and stylistic), and perhaps indie rock (and maybe post-punk) should be moved to the stylistic origins.

For the removal of these, my reasoning is that there are separate articles on the developments it discusses: Midwest emo and emo pop. The fact there are enough sources discussing these styles as distinct genres, enough for them to have individual notability, proves WP:UNDUE or WP:FRINGE.

On the additions, here are some scholarly texts discussing the influence of indie and post-punk on emo since the beginning:

Indie:

Resounding the Rhetorical Composition as a Quasi-Object by Bryan Hawk (University of Pittsburgh Press): Emo-a more subdued and emotional subgenre of punk with confessional lyrics-emerged as a subgenre of post-hardcore in mid-1980s Washington, DC. Where Fugazi took a more progressive route out of early hardcore, bands such as Rites of Spring and Embrace were influenced more by new wave or indie rock without becoming as commercial.

Post-punk

Big Brands Are Watching You by Francesca Sobande (University of California Press) states An abbreviation of emotional hardcore, emo is a type of music and over- all scene that stems from post-punk and adjacent genres; Rise up by Chris Jones (Methuen Publishing) states As a style of music, emo (from "emotive hardcore") had its roots in the post-punk mid-1980s; and the thesis The Articulation of Rites of Spring as a post-hardcore band by Akhmad Alfan Rahadi (Brawijaya University) states The term post hardcore was not ubiquitous at the time of its initial emergence, instead emo-core was the term that predated post-hardcore, the label that describe a musical genre that fuse hardcore punk, post-punk and other genres.

Primary sources

And finally here are interviews with the members of founding emo bands where they discuss their influences, I have bolded indie and post-punk bands:

Guy Picciotto cites the Smiths, the Birthday Party, Buzzcocks, the Mob, the Fall, Television, Bob Dylan, the Saints, Wire, the Undertones and the Adverts. Here Brian Baker says the biggest influence on Dag Nasty was U2, then in the zine Threatening Society (issue 3, 1987) there is What bands have influenced you? Brian Baker: REM, SMITHS, XTC, BEATLES, BAD BRAINS, and HOODOO GURUS. DOUG CARRION: MINUTEMEN, MEAT PUPPETS, REM, SMITHS, and the BEATLES. In Our Band Could Be Your Life (page 385), Ian MacKaye mentions only one band as an influence on Embrace, an obscure English post-punk band called Empire, whose only album caught on wildly with the Dischord crowd. Issan Sumisu (talk) 19:57, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]