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Initial description

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The initial line describes him as "American activist, Marxist-Leninist and revolutionary socialist." I feel that the second 2 descriptions are redunant. But also, they don't seem to be his main motivation. Nothing in there about race and what his focus was. For many whose main focus was racial equality or justice during the Cold War, they'd come across Marxist or socialist writings that seemed more in line with their thinking than contemporaneous American political discourse. They were not first a Marxist, then came to the conclusion for racial equality, but started looking for racial equality and found sympathetic voices in those writings (though where that writing came from wasn't necessarily beacons of racial diversity, and there may have been some pushing those aspects of it to help disrupt things in the West). I don't think the references should be taken away, but more emphasis up from on his focus on race in America in the 1960s should be more prominent at the start.

Change to Introduction

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The sentence I removed was not realistic nor was it propery sourced.

First reference was from a University at Santa Barbara "undergraduate journal" where the author was (quoted from the source)

"The Author: David Adams is a sophomore at Murray State University, majoring in History and minoring in East Asian Studies. He hopes to pursue an academic career in the future."

Not at all a "reputable source"

And the second one is slightly more reasonable, a Stanford "Library Exhibit" summary. However it does not even contain the words "Mao" or Lenin" or even "Marx". It does describe Mr Hampton as a "revolutionary socialist", which description also applies to Bernie Sanders. While there are people in the US who would describe Mr Sanders as a Marxist-Leninist scourge of the devil and tool of Satan, that's not the overwhelming evaluation of his positions. A quick search of "Fred Hampton" finds only this ONE source claiming Mr Hampton was a wild-eyed plant serving the International Communist Party in their quest to overthrow the United States.

My new version is not that good but at least it's not silly. A better revision would be fine by me, but please no unsubstantiated John Birch claims founded on third-rate frothings by sophomore history students from Nebraska. 204.174.230.37 (talk) 09:00, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry to say this but Hampton really was a Leninist. Better sources are needed though. Simonm223 (talk) 12:44, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This source is a good starting point. But, seriously, this isn't John Birch silliness. Hampton was an honest-to-goodness revolutionary before the police martyred him for it. Simonm223 (talk) 12:51, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I understand that primary sources are not used in Wikipedia, but I'm just putting it for the record that Hampton's political beliefs -- in line with the rest of the Panther leadership and its stated political line, as well as the New Communist Movement and some elements of the New Left both of which Hampton either helped beget or was apart of -- were Marxist-Leninist and Maoist. You can find Hampton discussing his political philosophy here and here, where he cites Leninist revolutionaries like Mao and Kim Il Sung, says the BPP "puts Marxist-Leninist theory into practice", and outright states "We are Marxist-Leninists" with a "Marxist-Leninist [political] line"
The issue is that Hampton's and the Panther's radical political views are often whitewashed and overlooked when they are discussed, and they are often misunderstood by the general public, a phenomena noted by Jacobin (considered reliable) here. So yes, there are not many sources discussing Hampton's Marxism-Leninism, and I will concede that there are not many sources describing him as such. At the same time, it's clear that merely discussing him as a "revolutionary" is too vague and inadequate in describing him.
> A quick search of "Fred Hampton" finds only this ONE source claiming Mr Hampton was a wild-eyed plant serving the International Communist Party in their quest to overthrow the United States.
...What?
The funny thing is, maybe you are unaware, Hampton is also known to have discussed the necessity of international proletarian revolution, as discussed by some sources here and here. Here are his words (emphasis mine):
>We don’t think you fight fire with fire best; we think you fight fire with water best. We’re going to fight racism not with racism, but we’re going to fight with solidarity. We say we’re not going to fight capitalism with black capitalism, but we’re going to fight it with socialism. We’re stood up and said we’re not going to fight reactionary pigs and reactionary state’s attorneys like this and reactionary state’s attorneys like Hanrahan with any other reactions on our part. We’re going to fight their reactions with all of us people getting together and having an international proletarian revolution Wikipedious1 (talk) 19:37, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
With this clarification from the Teahouse I'll be using Hampton's speeches from Marxists.org to support claims about his political beliefs. Wikipedious1 (talk) 21:58, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Post-Mortem Influence

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I believe that either in the aftermath or legacy section, there should be a section on how the hatred of what he stood for has followed him after death, even 56 years later, as pictures of his gravestone will show it riddled with bulletholes, and the stone is regularly defaced in other manners as well. It's been said that it's "tradition" for LEOs to deface his grave. ~2025-33072-51 (talk) 18:28, 12 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]