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Danmwc 21:10, 22 June 2006 (UTC)added info and a link to a pic of Mr. England[reply]

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I got his autograph one time! :D --Mitternacht90 01:03, 5 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Global warming skeptic

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This needs a reliable source before it can be re-added to the article. Associated Content isn't a reliable source because it consists of self-published material. See also WP:BLP.—Scott5114↗ [EXACT CHANGE ONLY] 20:49, 19 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Added 2.--Dr who1975 (talk) 21:00, 19 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Photo

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We need a photo of him. Anyone have a picture that can be used? Michael73072 (talk) 02:29, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

New York Times Article

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This may be of interest: The Weather God of Oklahoma City by Sam Anderson, The New York Times Magazine, August 9, 2013 Asteriks (talk) 10:08, 25 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Gary England/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Tails Wx (talk · contribs) 21:47, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: Departure– (talk · contribs) 16:37, 5 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I will be reviewing this article shortly. Note that I have several open GANs but if you want to help I'd appreciate a review of Edwardsville Amazon warehouse collapse. Thank you.

Rate Attribute Review Comment
1. Well-written:
1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct. England was the first on-air meteorologist to alert his viewers of a possible tornado using a commercial Doppler weather radar - If he was the first in general, use a comma; if the first with a radar, replace "using" with "with".

and stood out among the variety of memorable experience with western Oklahoma weather. is oddly phrased and seems a little crufty. First Warning And Storm Tracker are used nationwide - as of when? Does the "and" need capitalized? He appeared in a cameo in the 1996 movie Twister, and in the 2021 fantasy movie Iké Boys as a weatherman. His appearance in Twister is already documented earlier in the Other work section, and this should either be merged into Other work or that should be merged here. England died in Oklahoma City on June 10, 2025, at the age of 85 - do we have a cause of death months later? He counted other weather, including tornadoes - This immediately follows a mention of tornadoes, so remove this mention. There is a dispute by some sources, as there was an earlier radar bulletin issued by Gil Whitney of WHIO-TV in Dayton, Ohio during the April 3, 1974 Xenia tornado.[7] However, the radar used by WHIO during the Xenia Tornado was a conventional weather radar, not a Dopplerized radar.[14] - couldn't this be one sentence? "This followed Gil Whitney of WHIO's broadcast of the Xenia tornado using a conventional radar" or some variant? A new biography of England by Bob Burke was published in December 2006 titled, "Friday Night in the Big Town". Move the comma behind "titled". I don't see how the Tinker Air Force tornadoes are relevant to England. Maybe a link to Tornadoes in Oklahoma would be a better fit?

1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.
2. Verifiable with no original research, as shown by a source spot-check:
2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline. Source [4] (Weathering the Storm by England) desperately needs needs page numbers. Source [11] seems irrelevant to the broadcast by Gil Whitney. Source [15] (News 9 Looks Back At Some Of Gary England's Most Memorable Moments) is a 404. Source [22] for Friday Night in the Big Town is dead, and the archive link doesn't work.
2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose). I have factual concerns for The Union City tornado was also the first comprehensive case study ever on a tornado - what about the 1764 Woldegk tornado? The 1961 South Side, Chicago tornado Ted Fujita studied? What defines "comprehensive" in this context? In addition, the way this is phrased implies that the tornado was its own case study.

England was a pop culture icon in Oklahoma City and had a cultlike following needs better sourcing. The findings of a blog's poll are not fact. I can't verify the names of England's parents from source [2] (Washington Post).

While the National Weather Service is the only one legally responsible for issuing warnings in the United States does not appear in the cited source [1]. StormTracker is spelt StormTracker in the source and Storm Tracker in the article.

England's retirement had been anticipated since Payne joined the station in January cannot be verified from the two sources provided. AGF for [24].

England and the firm Enterprise Electronics Corporation were the first to initiate development of the first commercial Doppler weather radar - source uses "implement" instead of "initiate development of" and they aren't 1:1 the same.

Source [6] for England then spent four years as a consulting meteorologist and oceanographer with A.H. Glenn and Associates in New Orleans is apparently a case of WP:CIRCULAR, as the article you linked (published 2025) uses identical wording to this page before that claim was cited (see Special:Diff/1237478248, a revision from 2024) - just swapping "England" for "he". I want to see a source for this claim from before England's death.

England's first broadcasting job was a short stint at KTOK, an Oklahoma City talk radio station. England began working at KWTV on October 16, 1972. - Source [7] (an interview with England) doesn't verify any of these. Source [8] has been usurped and an archived link isn't immediately available. Good as uncited. Stopping today's spotcheck here.


2c. it contains no original research. England then spent four years as a consulting meteorologist and oceanographer with A.H. Glenn and Associates in New Orleans lacks a citation.
2d. it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism.

A few returns on Earwig, but no true copyvios.

3. Broad in its coverage:
3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic.
3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style). although the company used the same single-story building as the studio is unnecessary in the lede. Actually, I don't think the bureaucratic structure of the company is relevant to England at all.
4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.
5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content. The sole image in the article is confirmed free via the Volunteer Response Team.
6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.
7. Overall assessment. I will finish this review once the issues I've brought up are addressed, and in the meantime, I'm putting this on hold as I believe these issues can be addressed relatively easily. Thank you for nominating this article. A shame how much of the article had to be removed because it couldn't be verified, but the article seems to be up to GA standards now. Thanks to @Tails Wx: for nominating and improving and @EF5: for taking the lead as this approached staleness. Departure– (talk) 17:01, 6 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I've gone ahead and WP:BOLDly addressed the above concerns; England was a legend and I would hate to see this failed. I frequently listen to his May 3, 1999 and May 20, 2013 broadcasts in my free-time. EF5 13:43, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@EF5: Some issues are still outstanding, but I've completed most of my source spotcheck; see above. Departure– (talk) 23:12, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Will address tomorrow; I'm busy for the rest of the night. EF5 23:32, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@EF5 and Tails Wx: Closing in on one month, and issues are still outstanding. As much as I hate to do it, I'm going to close this GAN unless issues are addressed by 0:00 UTC September 6 (or 29 hours from now). Departure– (talk) 19:03, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Departure–: Addressed everything but the page numbers; IA is blocked on my institution's computers. EF5 19:12, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@EF5: Tinker AFB tornadoes still in See Also (this one isn't a dealbreaker for me); no page numbers for [4]; News 9 Looks Back At Some Of Gary England's Most Memorable Moments, a dead source with no immediate archive linked, is still used to verify information; and the source citing Friday Night in the Big Town is still not available, per above. Departure– (talk) 19:51, 5 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Departure–: that should be everything. EF5 20:12, 5 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Departure–:? EF5 15:44, 6 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I apologize for not making time for this review and will take a look at this right away (and as a show of good faith will give extra time on your end to help fix any last issues). Departure– (talk) 15:57, 6 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@EF5: Current outstanding issues:
  • The "Weathering the Storm" source being removed brings up the lack of any mention of it at all in the article; as it's his autobiography and the mention of Friday Night in the Big Town prominently mentions that it's his second, the first one should be brought up in the prose instead of just in the publications section. Departure– (talk) 16:13, 6 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I cannot find a single GA-quality mention of his book in any reliable, non-dead sources, although it definitely does exist as most book-seller websites seem to have it. EF5 16:24, 6 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • A new biography of England by Bob Burke was published in December 2006 titled "Friday Night in the Big Town" - the source is dead, and its archive link is also broken. I think it's still important to include, so please find a new source. Departure– (talk) 16:13, 6 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Added. EF5 16:24, 6 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Added. EF5 16:24, 6 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Re-added. EF5 16:24, 6 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Departure–: everything but his biography has been addressed, see above. EF5 16:24, 6 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@EF5: This News9 source verifies Weathering the Storm's existence. News9 is cited twice elsewhere in the article and is reliable enough for these purposes. If possible, please use the book's full title, Weathering the Storm - Tornadoes, Television & Turmoil. Departure– (talk) 16:39, 6 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Departure–: Weird; Google just isn't on it's best behavior today, I guess. Added. EF5 16:47, 6 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
In 1996 England wrote "Weathering the Storm - Tornadoes, Television & Turmoil" - write out that it's an autobiography and I'll pass this. Departure– (talk) 16:51, 6 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Departure–: done. EF5 16:52, 6 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Departure– - I normally hold off on adding page protection after only one instance of LTA disruption is made to an article, but since this LTA really does target pages to the point where they have to be protected in order to stop the shenanigans (and because this article is up for GA), I'll go ahead and temporarily throw a grey lock onto the gate for a few days -  Done. ;-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 17:11, 6 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]