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Anti-Soviet propaganda
[edit]- It was also considered emblematic of Hungarian national success and the most important subject of national pride in the worst period of oppression by the communist regime imposed on Hungary by the Soviet Union that occupied the country in 1945. In this period any "nationalistic" or even patriotic expression was strongly disapproved since these were considered being against both the internationalist ideal of the communist government as well as the expected behavior of the Hungarian nation defeated in World War II. In this atmosphere, international sport events were the only tolerated fields of expression of national pride.
- Nobody forced Hungarians to support Nazi Germany, which killed 20m of Russian and Soviet people. Nowadays nationalism is pushed everywhere from USA and Hungary to Russia, everyone becomes obsessed with "national pride". But this brings nothing good to this world, only increasing the chances that the new major war could be started and an exhausting arms race. Karl Marx was very correct that internationalism is better than nationalism. QuestPC (talk) 16:18, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
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"Cynical" Fouls = Editorial/Agenda Term
[edit]Lots of descriptions of "cynical" fouls in this article. That's not a technical term I recognize but it sounds more like the writer has an agenda. User @Daxion seems to think using "cynical" is quite OK since he undid my deletion of that term. What do others think? If this is supposed to be an objective (as much as possible) article, then let's delete these agenda terms and editorial terms like "cynical". 63.225.185.183 (talk) 05:18, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
- Well... I stand corrected, seems like "cynical foul" is a BE term after all. The cynical foul comment for the Semi-final is sourced, so that's fine. The cynical foul comment for the pre-rounds is not sourced, thus personal opinion of the writer. Find a credible source. Taking it back out for now. 63.225.185.183 (talk) 05:25, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
- Btw: 1954 FIFA World Cup does mention the foul in question but without the attribute "cynical". So, let's take out this editorial term. 63.225.185.183 (talk) 05:42, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
- Here is a match report. The word cynical is not used the next few paragraphs.
- Also here is the link to the article - https://www.theringer.com/soccer/2018/7/13/17568582/world-cup-most-important-game-1954-final-hungary-west-germany
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- "West Germany’s first opponents were Turkey, whom they beat 4–1, while Hungary broke the tournament’s single-game goals record in demolishing South Korea 9–0. Three days later, the two winners met, with Herberger making seven changes to his XI. Unsurprisingly, West Germany soon trailed 3–1, with Werner Liebrich amusing himself by landing several boots on Puskás, who collared the Hungarian-speaking Jupp Posipal at halftime. “Tell that clumsy oaf to stop,” he chuntered, vowing to devote the remainder of the game to his humiliation should he not.
- Puskás, though, was on one. “I could feel the ball as a violinist feels his instrument,” he later wrote. “I played like a bird on the wing.” A bird on the wing with a lot of chirp, and following 10 minutes of goading, Liebrich packed him off down the tunnel with a hairline fracture of the left ankle.
- In the immediate term, it made no difference, as a final score of 8–3 fairly reflected the balance of play. “It was quite obvious that only one team could win the world championship,” said Horst Eckel, the West German wing half, “and that was Hungary.”
- Back home, the result was ill received. “It seemed the time had come to hang the treacherous coach Herberger from an apple tree,” reasoned Der Spiegel with invigorating specificity. Quite what he was up to was unclear even to his players: Fritz Walter thought his intention was to finagle a draw, while Eckel told The Ringer that he perceived a more general strategy, surmising that “Herberger’s plan was simple: to ensure that we progress further.”
- This made sense. West Germany were likely to lose no matter who played, and now, their key players were fresh to playoff against Turkey to decide who qualified from the group in second place. Moreover, to become champions, they would probably have to play Hungary again in the final, so it made sense not to waste the rarity of a victory on the group stages. And, in the meantime, Herberger gave Liebrich and Rahn a game — they had not yet featured — while various understudies tired out a Hungarian side about which he could learn without affording Sebes the same opportunity."
- End Quote Daxion (talk) 21:46, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
- Btw: 1954 FIFA World Cup does mention the foul in question but without the attribute "cynical". So, let's take out this editorial term. 63.225.185.183 (talk) 05:42, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
Several sources question the unbeaten record between 1950 and 1956
[edit]The article states that "Between 1950 and 1956, the team played 69 games, recorded 58 victories, 10 draws and is generally considered to have suffered only one defeat, in the 1954 World Cup final against West Germany." but several sources pointed out that they lost a friendly against the Soviet Union in 1952. [1] [2] [3]
References
- ^ "Soviet Union vs Hungary international football match report". eufootball.
- ^ "INTERNATIONAL FRIENDLIES". Transfermarket.
- ^ "FRIENDLIES 1952 - Europe". Footballdatabase.