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Section sizes Section size for Han Chinese (55 sections) Section name Byte count Prose size (words) Header Total Header Total (Top) 17,102 17,102 239 239 Identity 3,573 3,573 181 181 Designation 17 8,314 0 565 "Han people" 3,468 3,468 158 158 Huaren and Huayi 1,176 1,176 119 119 Tangren 1,866 1,866 181 181 Zhonghua minzu 1,787 1,787 107 107 Han Chinese subgroups 11,752 29,918 270 1,359 Military garrisons and agricultural colonies 1,146 1,146 154 154 Historical southward migrations 5,813 17,020 396 935 First wave: Jin dynasty 4,499 4,499 206 206 Tang dynasty and An Lushan rebellion 1,916 1,916 170 170 Jin–Song wars and Mongol invasion 4,792 4,792 163 163 Distribution 18 11,985 0 463 China 1,507 3,574 98 134 Hong Kong and Macau 2,067 2,067 36 36 Taiwan 1,888 1,888 157 157 Southeast Asia 2,369 2,369 102 102 Others 4,136 4,136 70 70 History 3,377 37,534 157 2,621 Prehistory 9,292 9,292 380 380 Early history 716 7,238 85 612 Xia dynasty 3,169 3,169 188 188 Shang dynasty 1,699 1,699 172 172 Zhou dynasty 1,654 1,654 167 167 Imperial history 25 11,956 0 1,220 Qin dynasty 1,477 1,477 184 184 Han dynasty 1,745 1,745 189 189 Three Kingdoms to Jin 673 673 74 74 Non-Han rule 1,454 1,454 190 190 Sui and Tang 1,809 1,809 172 172 Song to Qing 4,773 4,773 411 411 Republican history 5,671 5,671 252 252 Culture and society 8,481 61,155 594 4,112 Language 3,381 3,381 304 304 Names 495 495 17 17 Fashion 5,494 5,494 246 246 Family 4,062 4,062 490 490 Food 2,029 2,029 125 125 Literature 5,651 5,651 486 486 Science and technology 24,304 24,304 1,098 1,098 Religion 7,258 7,258 752 752 Genetics 86 43,207 0 1,575 Internal genetic structure 13,158 13,158 456 456 Demic diffusion and north–south differences 16,495 25,858 408 840 Patrilineal DNA 9,363 9,363 432 432 Genetic continuity between ancient and modern Han Chinese 2,877 2,877 218 218 Closely related East Asian groups 1,228 1,228 61 61 Criticisms of the term 30 3,649 0 271 Taxonomic qualification 2,665 2,665 167 167 Nationalism 954 954 104 104 Notes 214 214 0 0 References 30 30 0 0 Further reading 768 768 0 0 External links 269 269 0 0 Total 217,718 217,718 11,386 11,386

The text in the DNA analyis is misleading

"Despite this, tests comparing the genetic profiles of northern Han, southern Han and southern natives determined that haplogroups O1b-M110, O2a1-M88 and O3d-M7, which are prevalent in southern natives, were only observed in some southern Hans (4% on average), but not in northern Hans. "

This would imply the paternal contribution of southern natives is only 4% when this is far from the truth. Y-DNA O1 (all subclades) is very common in (and perhaps more associated with) Dai populations. It is also very common in southern Chinese. Y-DNA O-P201 is very common in southern natives and is very common in Guangdong. There are many subclades of Y-DNA O1, O2 and O3 shared by both Dai and Han alike. ^{[1] [2] [3] [4] [5]}

The number of speakers derived from statistics or estimates (2019) and were rounded:^[1][2][3]

Number	People	Subgroups	Main Area	Population
1	Cantonese people	Taishanese people, Hongkongers, Macau people, Macanese people	Guangdong, Guangxi, Hainan, Hong Kong, Macau	120,000,000
2	Hakka people	Ngái people	Guangdong, Fujian, Jiangxi, Guangxi, Sichuan, Hunan	120,000,000
3	Min people	Fuzhou people, Hoklo people, Hoklo Taiwanese, Putian people, Teochew people	Fujian, Hainan, Southern Zhejiang, Guangdong	115,000,000
4	Shandong people		Shandong Province	100,000,000
5	Sichuanese people		Sichuan Province, Chongqing Municipality	100,000,000
6	Wu people	Shanghainese people, Ningbonese people, Wenzhou people	Zhejiang, Jiangsu, Shanghai, Anhui, Jiangxi, Fujian	90,000,000
7	Hebei people		Hebei Province	75,000,000
8	Jianghuai people	Subei people	Jiangsu Province, Anhui Province	75,000,000
9	Gan people		Jiangxi, Eastern Hunan	60,000,000
10	Hunanese people		Hunan, Northeastern Guangxi	40,000,000
11	Taiwanese people		Taiwan, Southeast Asia	25,000,000
12	Tanka people	Fuzhou Tanka	Guangdong, Guangxi, Fujian, Hainan	5,000,000
13	Hainan people		Hainan, Southeast Asia	5,000,000
14	Chuanqing people		Guizhou	700,000
15	Gaoshan people		Yunnan, Guizhou	400,000
16	Waxiang people		Hunan	400,000
17	Tunbao people		Guizhou, Anshun	300,000
18	Hui'an people		Quanzhou, Fujian, China	50,000

@Remsense: So what's your issue? Is it just the listing templates? Is that your only problem? It's just the formatting? AHI-3000 (talk) 01:41, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That is most of it. I am also unsure about what we're including and omitting in this infobox but I'll leave that be until I triple check the sources. Remsense ‥ 论 01:42, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There needs to be a discussion opened for criticisms of the generosity, both historical and modern, of the classification of Han Chinese in it's usage as both as a racial and an ethnic classifier. The genetics page serves to further this conflation by premise, and some sections perpetuate a very dangerous narrative that the Han Chinese ethnic classifier is concordant with that of the Han Chinese racial classifier, which the article is not about.

Within the sentence heading the section is this quote: "The internal genetic structure of the Han Chinese is consistent with the vast geographical expanse of China and the recorded history of large migratory waves over the past several millennia have engendered the emergence of the diverse Han subgroups displaying slight but discernible physical and physiological differences." This statement should be looked at under extreme scrutiny as it positions itself such that being Han is symbol of racial purity that is "endangered"(threatened) by "migratory waves"(race mixing). If we were saying this about the similar classifier, "white", then this would be the exact same logic used by the Nuremberg Laws. This position is further substantiated by the classifier of Han as "displaying slight... differences."(shortened for brevity) By what metric are these differences 'slight'? I would hope we are not defaulting to conflating apparently similar aesthetic complexion with racial genetics.

The nature of the article should necessitate a, currently totally absent, discussion on the application of the ethnic quantifier. Han has been used numerous times in history, from the Han dynasties themselves to the Yuan Great Ming to the Qing to the Republican Era to the PRC, as a valuable tool for political populism and ideological unification to justify anything from the overthrow of foreign dynastic rule to the Cultural Revolution. This is a vitally important perspective to give in order to understand the goals of the classifier and why it is so magnanimous as to include 1.4 billion people.

For brevity I will not expand upon similar errors on this article, but I assure all readers that they are littered throughout it in varying degrees("Similarly, the Chinese language also came to be named and alluded to as the "Han language" (漢語; 汉语; Hànyǔ) ever since", the "Chinese language" does not exist, I assume we are referring to Modern Standard Chinese; 现代标准汉语).

The lack of such important discussion on the page itself indicates to me that this article was formulated and is structured with certain biases that are not appropriate to Wikipedia. I will try to help fix such errors, but it will take the effort of more than one person. Hrafnagyðja (talk) 14:20, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Furthering this, I would like to point out that the "History" section is largely irrelevant to that of the Han Chinese. This section should be trimmed when possible to include important events not in the general history of China but only what specifically relates to the Han people, if for nothing else then for the sake of avoiding redundancy as this information is more relevant and accessible and researched in other articles. I have decided to not take this action up myself for the sake of perspective.

I believe more should be included about the historical classification of Han itself, which is relevant to understanding the reasons why the Han Chinese classification seems so paradoxical to begin with. Further, the history of it's usage as seen from the Western perspective would be a nice section. Hrafnagyðja (talk) 00:39, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The current infobox image is pretty terrible. It is a low-quality, watermarked photo of a worn painting of unknown provenance (the Commons source link goes to...a WeChat group?). Most ethnic group infoboxes have a photograph of an actual person. This page should be no exception. Toadspike [Talk] 14:46, 29 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@ChenDaoIsHere recently tried changing it to the collage used on zhwiki, which was admittedly excessive and contains far too many apocryphal paintings of ancient figures, but that was kinda the right idea. Toadspike [Talk] 14:48, 29 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]