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Should she be in Category:VTubers

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Hi, I'm wondering if she should be included in the Category:VTubers, since she uses (used?) a VTuber avatar in her streams. If so, anyone know how to mention that in the article and what to use as a source? Artemis Andromeda (talk) 03:06, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Artemis Andromeda This can be added if a WP:RS can be found for it. Strugglehouse (talk) 11:03, 22 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Honestly, her career in streaming should really be elaborated on overall. CavalryShift (talk) 00:52, 24 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. I’ll get on that Regards, a most likely very cozy Cooldood5555 ✈️ (let's talk) 00:59, 24 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestion for photo

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Animation in question

I notice that for whatever reason, we have this animation of Jaiden's character. I don't think it's appropriate to place in the infobox but perhaps we can put it below? Alternatively we could take a singular frame and use that instead. TansoShoshen (talk) 02:15, 25 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@TansoShoshen This is just fan art, so we can't really use it like this.
A frame from a video would be copyrighted, so we definitely can't use that either. Strugglehouse (talk) 11:25, 25 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Strugglehouse I notice on many multilingual Wikipedias, historically what was in the absence of a free official source to represent things like anime characters was to use some cosplayer instead.
Of course what I found isn't official artwork, so what I propose is instead placing this somewhere that isn't the infobox, since doing so that would not be an accurate depiction, where a caption can be added making it clear that this isn't an official work but rather fan art. TansoShoshen (talk) 15:02, 25 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@TansoShoshen Sure, but I don't think this is quite the same. A cosplay shows a real-life representation of a character, whereas a piece of fanart is not really the best representation. Strugglehouse (talk) 15:14, 25 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Strugglehouse That is true and why we would try to get official artwork. The question now is; with no freely usable versions of said art and no way (at least that I can think of) that we'd find free use rationale to upload an existing non-free version, given Jaiden's previous interest at wanting to get an animated version of herself here; Is fanart as a depiction better than no depiction? TansoShoshen (talk) 17:29, 26 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@TansoShoshen I think it may be possible to create a fair use rationale for an animated depiction, possibly her YouTube profile picture may make the most sense.
Since Dittfach has previously asked for her animated version to be used, it may be worth contacting her to ask her to contact the Commons:VRT.
With the fanart, I think it's worth waiting, and rediscussing if no free use rationale or VRT contact can be made. Strugglehouse (talk) 22:13, 26 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, I noticed this discussion. Firstly, I wanna vote categorically against this particular fanart, since it's not faithful to the design of Jaiden's character (and based of super old meme). And in general, I don't think we should be posting fan art on Wikipedia. That being said. Maybe we could post a screenshot or recreation of her cartoon character in the infobox, akin to how it's done with articles for cartoon characters (like Bart Simpson or SpongeBob. If needed, I'm actually a semi-professional artist, I could draw a pretty faithful recreation of her character to be posted in the infobox as png or svg file. Though, idk how it would work with copyright issues. Artemis Andromeda (talk) 00:51, 27 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Artemis Andromeda The thing about Spongebob in particular is that he has several, original, free images available (1, 2). Bart doesn't but there's free use rationale (as mentioned above).
The fanart above is actually somewhat closer to 2016-era Jaiden (see this video for reference). I appreciate your offer at maybe making fanart but you're right that it can't be too close because otherwise it's a derivative work that cannot be uploaded to Commons. TansoShoshen (talk) 07:55, 27 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Artemis Andromeda Agreed that fanart is not the best idea here.
I think that the best option at the moment, as I said above, is to try and get Dittfach to get in contact with the Commons:VRT to give explicit permission for the use of a specific image of the character.
Should we fail to gain this, then we should move on to fair use rationales. Strugglehouse (talk) 10:35, 27 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
So interesting development, I have not received any reply from the email provided on her YouTube.
However, fan speculation recently (before anyone asks, I checked, no WP:RS currently exists about this yet), is that Jaiden is just moving on from the Jaiden Animations channel and is actually the VTuber Kairyu Crocodile, who sounds similar, has the same interests (Pokemon and Chiikawa), and whose names are both "Jaiden" which is known from a Freudian slip.
@Strugglehouse Given how Jaiden already does not want her face to be used in this article, do you think we should play it safe and not try to find free use rationale for any media from JaidenAnimations? TansoShoshen (talk) 08:14, 4 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
@TansoShoshen I had seen the recent mentions of Kairyu Crocodile, but, as you said, no reliable sources exist to connect the two, so it cannot be included at this time.
To me, it doesn't make sense for Dittfach to completely move away from the Jaiden Animations channel, and this again couldn't be proven without a reliable source.
I still think that finding free use rationale for a representation of the Jaiden Animations character is the best option at the moment, especially as Dittfach has expressed wishes for her character to be used. Strugglehouse (talk) 10:42, 4 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
@Strugglehouse I think our best option is probably this old profile picture, since it is 100% her own depiction of herself before she had an animation team.
Sidenote, I knew it was bad searching her up on Deviantart, I didn't know it was that bad. TansoShoshen (talk) 19:07, 4 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
@TansoShoshen That would probably be the best for finding a free use rationale.
I made a bit of an error in my last comment; I would still say that waiting for a reply/for her to contact Commons:VRT would be best, but failing that, the old profile picture is probably the best idea. Strugglehouse (talk) 14:42, 5 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
@TansoShoshen Coming back to this.
Her About section on YouTube states that she created her current profile picture herself too ("channel profile picture made by: me"). Therefore, this current profile picture is probably the best for a free use rationale. Strugglehouse (talk) 17:40, 21 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
I have uploaded this, and added it to the article. Strugglehouse (talk) 18:03, 21 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

IPA/pronunciation in lead

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Hello,

On 11 October 2025, an IP user, 85.104.200.117, added the IPA pronunciation for the Dittfach surname. This was removed shortly after by @Bowling is life, then added back a few days later by a different IP user, 88.249.162.103. It was then kept for a while, being edited slightly by a couple of users, including @Artemis Andromeda.

On 29 December 2025, the pronunciation was removed by @SunshineeDarkness, and then added back a few days later on 4 January 2026 by Artemis Andromeda.

On 7 January 2026, I removed the IPA pronunciation, as it had no WP:RS.

My edit was then undone not long afterwards, by Artemis Andromeda, who stated that "U don't need a ref for an IPA".

I'd like to get an opinion from some other editors, because I would argue that you do need a reference for a pronunciation. We cannot assume that someone's surname is pronounced in a specific way, especially with a non-English name. It may pronounce it in a "traditional" way, or be anglicised.

I believe that this pronunciation needs to be sourced. What do others think? Strugglehouse (talk) 15:56, 8 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, about the pronunciation, I agree that we do not know how Jaiden and her family pronounce the surname. This is why I list it as German pronunciation, showing the original European pronunciation, which I saw done several times in other articles for Americans with non-obvious to pronounce European surnames. I'm not meaning to claim this is how Jaiden or Americans using this surname pronounce it. Also, I'm sorry, I did not want to couse any problems, nor were aware the IPA was previously removed by other users before 88.249.162.103 reeded it. Artemis Andromeda (talk) 16:00, 8 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
@Artemis Andromeda Hi, thanks for this. This does make sense.
I'm happy to keep this in the article for now, and to garner ideas from others to see what they think. Strugglehouse (talk) 16:16, 8 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
I think as long as we don't know that her name is actually pronounced in German, which is very rare for Surnames of German-Americans as it is mostly pronounced in an anglicized way, we should keep the IPA out completely. Again if you have a source indicating otherwise please cite. Hexusinsta (talk) 22:48, 13 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with everyone stating we need a reliable source. The pronunciation should be removed if one cannot be found. Strugglehouse (talk) 16:11, 16 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
"This is why I list it as German pronunciation, showing the original European pronunciation, which I saw done several times in other articles for Americans with non-obvious to pronounce European surnames."
BTW there is no "original European pronounciation". You added the IPA for standard German which is dominant know but at the time of most emigration from Germany to the United States people still overwhelmingly spoke and pronounced names in regional dialects. We don't know enough about her family history (there is no mention of her German ancestry in the article) to know how that name might actually have been pronounced in the past. Hexusinsta (talk) 23:06, 13 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Pinging @Hexusinsta who just removed the pronunciation again for their input. LaffyTaffer💬(they/she) 21:40, 13 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
@LaffyTaffer User in question has actually provided input above, I'm of the opinion that in the absence of someone pronouncing their own surname, that the pronunciation within the standard form of language of origin of the surname is applicable to be used. There are many cases where we also include both personal pronunciation and "usual" pronunciation, Yoon Suk Yeol is what comes to mind first. TansoShoshen (talk) 01:20, 15 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
I don't have a particular opinion one way or the other, though I lean in the direction of removal mostly in the absence of ever hearing Jaiden pronounce it herself. Hexusinsta's replies above were made about an hour after I pinged them. LaffyTaffer💬(they/she) 01:57, 15 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
@Artemis Andromeda You reversed my edit and referred me to the talk page. Do you have anything to add? Hexusinsta (talk) 19:44, 15 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
I already stated my reasoning above. About you claim that "it wouldn't be the right dialect". It doesn't matter. As I said, it's not about guessing what pronunciation she's using. It's about giving reader some basic idea how to pronounce it, at least bh the book. About it being standard. Standards are standard for a reason. Even for places and people in Germany, we give IPA in national standard, instead local variations (which mayb be listed as additional info). Wikipedia is meant to be written in standard language, and not in local dialects. Artemis Andromeda (talk) 20:06, 15 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
@Artemis Andromeda I'll say that we use national standard for IPA secondarily to the actual pronunciation. Our situation here is that we don't have an actual pronunciation, so what we have is just the pronunciation in standard German, that should be fine. TansoShoshen (talk) 04:03, 16 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. Dittfach is a rare surname, which is why we should a pronounciation. Laserman-69420 (talk) 15:05, 16 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think we should have the IPA in the lead. It is likely misleading and we have no source for it. Jaiden is American and most Americans do not pronounce German names the Standard High German way. We have no evidence to suggest Jaiden is an exception. Per V and BLP the sentence should be removed until a source is found. Toadspike [Talk] 16:07, 16 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
@Toadspike We still provide the "standard pronounciation" for Yoon Suk Yeol even though there's RS proving he doesn't pronounce it that way. How is this any different? TansoShoshen (talk) 23:45, 16 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
In that case we have a source [1] explaining the issue in detail. Here we have no sources. Very different. Toadspike [Talk] 10:24, 17 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 16 January 2026

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. WP:SNOW close following consensus is that JaidenAnimations is the WP:COMMONNAME of the article. (non-admin closure) UppercutPawnch (talk) 01:18, 20 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Jaiden Animations → Jaiden DittfachJaiden Dittfach – most of the article is about her, not about the channel, i.e., de facto it is a bio article. --Altenmann >talk 18:59, 16 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Absoşutely not under WP:COMMONNAME Laserman-69420 (talk) 19:49, 16 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Absolutely Laserman-69420 (talk) 19:49, 16 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Huh? what is your vote? you must state clearly "support" or "oppose". --Altenmann >talk 20:08, 16 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
COMMONNAME inapplicable: two different subjects: "Jaiden Dittfach" is a person, with a bio article, while "Jaiden Animations" is yt canel, potentially may have a separate page. --Altenmann >talk 20:07, 16 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
@Altenmann No. Jaiden Animations is just the name she uses online. She doesn't go by her full name anywhere. It's absolutely the COMMONNAME. Strugglehouse (talk) 20:12, 16 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
@Altenmann Strong Oppose. Jaiden Animations is the name Dittfach goes by online. She doesn't go by her full name anywhere.
Jaiden Animations is absolutely the WP:COMMONNAME. Strugglehouse (talk) 20:13, 16 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
No evidence that she said or someone else said that her name is "Jaiden Animations". Just the opposite: at her LinkedIn page she clearly says that she is Jaiden Dittfach. Same at facebook]. --Altenmann >talk 20:17, 16 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
@Altenmann What? This is her online persona. It's the same as any article about anyone who uses a pseudonym online. Strugglehouse (talk) 20:20, 16 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
@Altenmann Just seen the edit where you linked her LinkedIn. That doesn't prove anything. No one is suggesting that "Jaiden Animations" is her real name. As I said, this is her online persona, as with any article about someone online. Strugglehouse (talk) 20:25, 16 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
That's her youtube channel, not persona. --Altenmann >talk 20:28, 16 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
@Altenmann It's the name she goes by online. She does not go by her real name online. Strugglehouse (talk) 20:35, 16 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
@Altenmann Not sure why you keep adding links to personal social media, it's not proving anything.
Also, that Facebook profile is very obviously not her's. Strugglehouse (talk) 20:36, 16 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Oppose it may be the name of her channel, but it's also her username and by extension her WP:COMMONNAME LaffyTaffer💬(they/she) 20:20, 16 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
'False. Her username is JaidenAnimations. --Altenmann >talk 20:24, 16 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
If you were to propose a move to JaidenAnimations, then I would change my !vote to a very weak opposition on the grounds of readability more than anything. My strong opposition to Jaiden Dittfach stands. LaffyTaffer💬(they/she) 20:26, 16 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
@LaffyTaffer I think I actually would support a move to JaidenAnimations, as even her YouTube channel has no space. If this were proposed, we'd have to see how the majority of sources refer to the name. Strugglehouse (talk) 20:53, 16 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
See my (admittedly extremely rough) count on the sources in the article below. Jaiden herself even appears to omit the space inconsistently (for example). If for no other reason than readability, between the two, I prefer the space. LaffyTaffer💬(they/she) 20:55, 16 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, that makes sense, thanks. I'd like to see what others think of this if this were to be proposed. Strugglehouse (talk) 20:57, 16 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
https://www.instagram.com/jaiden_animations/ LaffyTaffer💬(they/she) 20:48, 16 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
I've done a check through 37 of the refs currently in the article (mostly ignoring dead refs, links blocked by my job, and youtube videos which are almost certainly primary sources).
Of those sources:
  • 10 are ambiguous
  • 5 only discuss the channel and make no mention of the person
  • 3 distinguish Jaiden(person) from Jaiden Animations(channel)
  • 3 only refer to JaidenAnimations(username of person) and don't mention the channel
  • 16 of them use Jaiden Animations to refer to both the person and channel interchangably.
All to say, WP:COMMONNAME absolutely applies. LaffyTaffer💬(they/she) 20:47, 16 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. Sugar Tax (talk) 20:26, 16 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
I feel like a WP:SNOW close would be appropriate here. Sugar Tax (talk) 21:04, 16 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Heavy Oppose Swee☩ Amber|Bbyshrkbss2 20:38, 16 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Heavy Oppose. She is know from all her work as Jaiden Animation. Nobody reffers to her by her surname, which, for the most part, we only known from some leaked personal stuff and her old art from highschool.Artemis Andromeda (talk) 22:48, 16 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Support SNOW close: Per above comments. TansoShoshen (talk) 23:43, 16 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly WeLiveInASimulation-12 (talk) 13:19, 17 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME WeLiveInASimulation-12 (talk) 13:20, 17 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.