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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 6 November 2025

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I want to add some pêşmerga pics some cool fighters ~2025-31467-05 (talk) 12:40, 6 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What specifically do you want to add? We can't just give anyone permission to edit an article, that's not how page protection works. Toast1454TC 15:45, 6 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Day Creature (talk) 16:31, 6 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@~2025-31467-05 Are the pictures available on Media related to Kurds at Wikimedia Commons? ← Metallurgist (talk) 06:31, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 30 November 2025

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There is a immediate contradiction. Kurds are referred to as an "Iranic Ethnic Group" yet I see nothing of Iran within their genetics.

Please fix this; Change "Iranic Ethnic Group" to "Ethnic Group" once again. ~2025-37316-06 (talk) 03:10, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done. Yes, the consensus is that Kurds are considered Iranic. NotJamestack (✉️|📝) 03:25, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not at all. The Kurdish Project even highlights Kurds as being their of their own heterogeneous ethnic group historically [1]. Other sources such as [2] and Origin of the Kurds#cite ref-15 also suggest a heterogeneous ethnic culture of Indo-European descent; the former even goes as far to claim Kurds to be Assyrian converts to Islam. Simply put, there is autonomy in Iran, but culturally, as these are crusader states, Kurds are more Iraqi. Kurds are not truly considered nomadic as your consensus might suggest. In their migration to Iran, from Mesopotamia, sure, they may have picked up some of there sociocultural norms, but the land, origins, and breadth of culture still lies in the lands of Anatolia and Iraq. There is no consensus that considers Kurds more Iranic than Heterogeneous or Iraqi.
I'd suggest removing the Iranic part(s) entirely, and to change "Iranic ethnic group" to "Heterogeneous ethnic group" as the actual consensus, within the culture itself, seems to truly depict.
Otherwise, change "Iranic ethnic group" to "Iraqi ethnic group". ~2025-37316-06 (talk) 18:47, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It is quite literally in the Iranian peoples article. NotJamestack (✉️|📝) 18:49, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I see nothing of the Kurds in that article. ~2025-37316-06 (talk) 18:52, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Even in the Ethnicities in Iran article, they define Kurds as their own Ethnicity (10% of the Iranian population) of their own sect (p4). Within this article, they even make the distinction they Kurds live in Iran (under the Kurds section), when starting these are Iranic People culturally, which can be considered true for those within this autonomy, not for all Kurds alike. Can you agree with this? ~2025-37316-06 (talk) 18:57, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Even in the Ethnicities in Iran article, they define Kurds as their own Ethnicity (10% of the Iranian population) of their own sect (p4). Within this article, they even make the distinction that Kurds live in Iran (under the Kurds section), when stating these are Iranic People culturally, which can be considered true for those within this autonomy, not for all Kurds alike. Can you agree with this? ~2025-37316-06 (talk) 18:58, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Even in the Ethnicities in Iran article, they define Kurds as their own Ethnicity (10% of the Iranian population) of their own sect (p4). Within this article, they even make the distinction that Kurds live in Iran (under the Kurds section), when stating these are Iranic People culturally, which can be considered true for those within this autonomy, not for all Kurds alike. Can you agree with this? ~2025-37316-06 (talk) 18:59, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If your like to cite with articles, perhaps change Iranian peoples to Melting pot#:~:text=It can also create a,political, social and economic spheres. or Heterogeneous Society. ~2025-37316-06 (talk) 19:10, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"Modern Iranian peoples include the Baloch, the Gilaks, the Kurds, the Lurs, the Mazanderanis, the Ossetians, the Pashtuns, the Persians, the Tats, the Tajiks, the Talysh, and the Wakhis."
"The Arabs conquered the Sassanid Empire of the Persians and seized much of the Byzantine Empire populated by the Kurds and others."
"Saladin, a noted adversary of the Crusaders, was an ethnic Kurd, while various empires centered in Iran (including the Safavids) re-established a modern dialect of Persian as the official language spoken throughout much of what is today Iran and the Caucasus."
These are all from the Iranian peoples page. NotJamestack (✉️|📝) 19:41, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but again this is only relative to the geography. Notice even your source says "ethnic Kurd". Therefore, Kurds are their own ethnicity, according to your own source. Antinthemiddie (talk) 19:46, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
To that I say...
"Iranian peoples, or Iranic peoples, are a diverse ethnolinguistic group who are identified chiefly by their native usage of any of the Iranian languages, which are a branch of the Indo-Iranian languages within the Indo-European language family."
Iranian peoples isn't really an ethnic group, but rather, it's ethnolinguistic. NotJamestack (✉️|📝) 20:18, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I can agree with this, but then how can we call Kurds ethnically Iranian Peoples?
You just said "Iranian Peoples isn't really an ethnic group" and we know ethnic culture goes much deeper than simply spoken language.
Kurdish is the official language of Iraq, after all. Iraqis are not equivocally considered a Kurdish Ethnic Group? Do you agree? Antinthemiddie (talk) 20:31, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Please remember to adhere to WP:GS/KURD. HistoryofIran (talk) 21:46, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Same for you. Please do not interfere with the discussion as stated within WP:GS/KURD. Antinthemiddie (talk) 22:10, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
We could say that "Kurds are part of the Iranian ethnolinguistic group." or something else along those lines. NotJamestack (✉️|📝) 22:29, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm okay with that! I obviously would love to see heterogeneous somewhere in there, but it is a great step in the right direction! Thank you for understanding! Antinthemiddie (talk) 22:39, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
In Wikipedia we follow WP:RS; not our own opinions/deductions (see also WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS). Per the previous RFC, there were numerous WP:RS which called them an Iranian/Iranic ethnic group, which ended up being the consensus for the lede. You have also been told to adhere to WP:GS/KURD multiple times now. HistoryofIran (talk) 23:04, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Did you check the sources? Please stop interfering in a productive conversation based on facts. Enough of the pretentious rhetoric; the sources were null, please check them. Antinthemiddie (talk) 23:06, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
So everyone in that RFC back then were discussing about "null" sources..? I think I've heard enough, and I also think it's clear that you don't care about WP:GS/KURD. HistoryofIran (talk) 23:12, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Why don't I see those sources then? Where and what are they? Antinthemiddie (talk) 23:14, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
What RFC are you talking about? You cannot make a reference to something, call it factual, and then not supply the reference. Antinthemiddie (talk) 23:14, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Kurds are an Iranian ethnic group, but arent Persian. Is there any preference for Iranic over Iranian? Also, the other groups seem to have inconsistency between Iranian ethnic group and Iranian people. ← Metallurgist (talk) 06:43, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"An ethnolinguistic group (or ethno-linguistic group) is a group that is unified by both a common ethnicity and language." Mobin Karami (talk) 21:33, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Improvements on "Genetic" subtopic within "Kurds" wikipage

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The "Genetics" subtopic within the "Kurds" page seems to be missing nuance and a lack of varying sources. The "genetics" page currently focuses on studies that base it's research mostly on haplogroup and mtDNA/yDNA research of the Kurds. This means that they mostly focus on the studies of the migration routes the ancestors of Kurds have taken. I find this to be inconclusive and not thorough enough to make claims that Kurds are more closely related to European groups than Caucasian groups. We know this contradicts other studies that highlight a strong connection to, for example, other local groups such as Caucasus-related ancient groups and Levant/Mesopotamia-related groups, not to mention the strong connection to Iranic speaking groups of course. The main problem here is that the genetics page is currently overrepresented by studies based on haplogroups, and not other forms of genetic or anthropologic research.

Since there's a seperate wikipage called "Origin of the Kurds" which is more thorough and contains a variety of studies with different perspectives (as views differ on genetic origins of Kurds), this page should either:

1) Give a more thorough summary of more than just ONE 2005 study based on haplogroups, and thus add more information based on more sources to make it a more consistent and factually correct subtopic

OR 2) Remove the current, inconclusive genetics analysis and just refer to the "Origin of the Kurds" wikipage, which as said before contains more thorough research.

Option 2 seems to be the more rational option as many other wikipages have subtopics where it refers to other wikipages for a more thorough overview. ~2025-37897-64 (talk) 14:06, 2 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]