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Cutting 'undisclosed paid' tag / banned editor rollback
[edit]I'm about to cut the {{Undisclosed paid|date=October 2023}} tag after rolling back the banned editors noted by User:MarioGom (i.e. all those listed here). Reverts done manually, rationales/exceptions below:
- Diff1 - PeterMadigan. REVERTED, in part. Their edit updated stats without updating the source, so I added a 'citation needed.' Also cut some fluff about Lazard's age. Someone else had already fixed some inexplicable tense changes in the headings. PeterMadigan also messed with the board list without updating the reference, but it's been updated since then, and looks current.
- Diff2 - PeterMadigan. REVERTED, in part. Their edit re-added a division CEO to infobox, don't think that much matters so I left. Another change of facts and board members with no new source, so added [citation needed] tags. Their edit added new CEO with press release, which I left, but I did re-add part of the content they cut about Independent Point Advisors.
- Diff3 - HauntsQuants. Left alone; it was a generic update to the infobox and current board members.
- Diff4 - HauntsQuants. Left alone, since their edit was a simple mention of new CEO with NYT footnote.
- Diff5 - TardyMarmot. Minor dab, left alone.
- Diff6 - TardyMarmot. Left alone; they cut "American worldwide" from the intro. I was tempted to add back "multinational," but the sentence on headquarters later in the paragraph makes that obvious.
- Diff7 - TardyMarmot. Left alone, for now. The edit cut an intern who was fired from Lazard for having a career in adult entertainment. Torn on this one. Interns certainly count as employees, so I see no reason not to add her back (sans the imdb link), except she has no Wikipedia page, and the list only has one other non-notable entry, which is likely erroneous and I imagine ultimately will be cut by whoever is tending the list most actively.
- Diff8 - TardyMarmot. Left alone, since the changes related to a section on SolarCity that has since been entirely cut.
- Diff9 - TardyMarmot. Left alone. They added infobox stats and board changes, since updated and moot, and also sourced the intro to the Financial Times. There was some odd switching of financial reports, now irrelevant, so I didn't re-add in this deleted source: "Lazard Ltd Form 10-K - Annual Report". Nasdaq OMX investor. February 25, 2016.
- Diff10 - TardyMarmot. TardyMarmot reverting vandalism.
- Diff11 - TardyMarmot, yet another infobox update with no fresh sourcing, now moot. They also entirely cut an overlarge section on two recent advising clients, which was poorly sourced with press releases. I didn't bother re-adding the section.
- A bunch of edits by TardyMarmot all involved changing the infobox stats, number of locations, or board of directors list without also updating the sourcing - but since the recent updates make those mistakes moot, I've left these edits untouched: Diff12, Diff13, Diff14, Diff15, Diff16, Diff17.
24.184.68.237 (talk) 16:00, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
Updating the History section
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Hi, I have some suggestions for updating the History section:
- In the Early years subsection:
- Update the last sentence in the first paragraph as follows:
- Lazard Frères began to serve miners engaged in the California Gold Rush and was involved in financing it, before quickly expanding into banking and foreign exchange.[1][2]
- In the A unified firm subsection:
- Add to the beginning of the subsection:
- The firm was involved in saving New York City from bankruptcy during the Fiscal crisis of 1975.[2]
- Before the fourth paragraph which begins "Lazard invested in a startup...", add the following sentence:
- The firm was involved in restructuring Greece’s debt during the Greek government-debt crisis.[2]
- Add Peter Orszag's new role to the end of the paragraph which begins "On May 26, 2023,...":
- On January 1, 2025, Orszag's role expanded to serve as CEO and Chairman of Lazard's Board of Directors.[3]
References
- ^ Guy de Rougemont, Lazard Frères, Banquiers des Deux Mondes (1840–1939), Librairie Arthème Fayard, 2010
- ^ a b c Gillespie, Todd; Feiser, Ezra (October 2, 2024). "Lazard, King of Emerging-Market Debt, Faces a New World Order". Bloomberg.
- ^ Gillespie, Todd (November 25, 2024). "Lazard Appoints Orszag to Chair Board as Ken Jacobs Steps Back". Bloomberg Law.
In addition to the above, I am currently working on gathering more content to expand the section further and will post when ready. Thank you! Fvfnyc (talk) 14:18, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
- Could confirm the WP:RS on request 3 for the A unified firm section. Implemented with small tweak for WP:NPOV and encyclopedic style. VacFiller (talk) 17:25, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
- I don't have a subscription to Bloomberg, but I did a search of the free sources and made two edits. If either of your sources has facts that I should see, please copy an exact quote and paste it on this page. For the Rougemont book, paste it in English and include a page number.
- For the Gold Rush, you seem to agree that the statement that Lazard "served" miners should be removed. Your proposed addition that they "financed" the gold rush would be interesting if I knew more. The sources say only that they traded in gold.
- For the New York city bankruptcy effort, the sources say that Felix Rohatyn was a former Lazard member when he headed the Municipal Assistance Corporation. Since Lazard wasn't involved, I left that out. Julian in LA (talk) 19:32, 12 July 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks for your attention here, Julian in LA. Sorry for the delay, I've been offline. I am pasting the language from the Bloomberg article which backs Lazard's financing of the California Gold Rush and saving NYC from bankruptcy:
- "The rarefied world of government debt restructuring is getting tougher for everyone—even Lazard, a 175-year-old company whose executives played a role in financing the California gold rush in the 19th century, saving New York City from near bankruptcy in the 20th and restructuring Greece’s debt in the 21st."
- I'd appreciate it if you could implement these remaining edits. Thanks again! Fvfnyc (talk) 16:54, 11 September 2025 (UTC)
- Hope you had a nice vacation.
- The quote, "executives played a role in financing the California gold rush" still doesn't say much. Did they do it on behalf of the firm? Did they finance the mining companies who took over from the 49ers? Did they finance Levi Strauss so the miners would have trousers to wear? Julian in LA (talk) 18:07, 11 September 2025 (UTC)
- Julian in LA This source ([1]) offers more clarity as to how the company financed the Gold Rush, in the following line:
- "Later, an office was opened in San Francisco and it became the agent for the French government in the purchase of gold found during the California gold rush."
- Let me know if anything else is needed. Thanks, Fvfnyc (talk) 16:29, 6 October 2025 (UTC)
- The existing article says that the firm advised the French government on gold buying some time before 1870. The article on Simon Lazard says that they were primarily merchants during the gold rush era, while finance was a "growing but informal part of the business." To say that the French government was one of their clients during the gold rush would require a statement with more detail than this. An obituary and a news article written a century after the fact are not the best sources. The Simon Lazard article references an English-language history, The Last Tycoons, the Secret History of Lazard Frères & Co. (2007), which would make interesting reading. Julian in LA (talk) 03:27, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
- Julian in LA This source ([1]) offers more clarity as to how the company financed the Gold Rush, in the following line:
- Thanks for your attention here, Julian in LA. Sorry for the delay, I've been offline. I am pasting the language from the Bloomberg article which backs Lazard's financing of the California Gold Rush and saving NYC from bankruptcy:
What lists should be on corporate pages?
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I asked this a few weeks ago on another page, but the response did not seem to answer the question. Wikipedia has many articles about law and investment banking firms that contain lists that don't seem to pass WP:LISTS and WP:INHERITORG. These include lists of notable people who worked for the firm at one time, but have no direct relationship between the firm and their achievements. There are also lists of all chief executives going back through history and lists of the cities where they have branch offices. This page, Lazard, is an extreme example. For each of their 39 branch offices, they have a national flag icon and a wikilink to the article for that city. They list the buildings that they occupied in the past, and there are photographs of the buildings that house some of their current branch offices., They list all their past chairmen, and all current members of the Board of Directors. This is followed by "notable current and former employees", broken into three categories, followed by a rumor that a subway station that existed in Montréal between 1918 and 1995 was named for the firm because it financed the building of a nearby tunnel.
Is any of this relevant to an article about an investment bank?
Julian in LA (talk) 00:33, 12 September 2025 (UTC)
- Wikipedia has many articles that contain stuff that arguably should not be there. You can be BOLD and remove things that you think don't belong. Or you can, as you already have, start a discussion on the talk page to see if other editors will agree on the need for judicious pruning. But this is ultimately a content discussion, so helpers called by the {{help}} template will generally not engage. If you think you need more eyes, you could post a neutral request at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Companies. — jmcgnh(talk) (contribs) 04:10, 12 September 2025 (UTC)
Asset management CEO update
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Hello. Please update the "Asset management" section to include that in December 2025, Christopher Hogbin was appointed CEO of Lazard Asset Management. [1][2]
Thank you. Fvfnyc (talk) 14:08, 1 December 2025 (UTC)
References
- ^ Gyftopoulou, Loukia (8 September 2025). "Lazard Hires AllianceBernstein's Hogbin to Lead Asset Management".
- ^ "Lazard Leadership & Board".
Fvfnyc (talk) 14:08, 1 December 2025 (UTC)
Done. Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 04:50, 16 December 2025 (UTC)
- Hi ChildrenWillListen, thanks for adding Hogbin to the article. I'll point out that his position is CEO of Lazard Asset Management, not Lazard. Would you mind updating the entity please? Thanks! Fvfnyc (talk) 08:40, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
Go ahead! Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 14:40, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
- Hi ChildrenWillListen, thanks again. I corrected the entity and moved it into the Asset management section, as that is most relevant to his position. Happy Holidays! Fvfnyc (talk) 18:44, 30 December 2025 (UTC)
- Hi ChildrenWillListen, thanks for adding Hogbin to the article. I'll point out that his position is CEO of Lazard Asset Management, not Lazard. Would you mind updating the entity please? Thanks! Fvfnyc (talk) 08:40, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
Notable current and former employees section
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Hi Likeanechointheforest, thanks for reviewing this page. I noticed that you removed the "Notable current and former employees" section, explaining that it seems out of scope compared to similar pages. After looking around a bit, though, it seems to me that it is common practice to include this kind of section in articles on companies, in particular large companies that are more than a century old. Considering this, and considering that this section has been on the Lazard article for almost 20 years, evolving with various editors' input, would you mind restoring the section and then perhaps opening a discussion to hear what other editors might think? Thanks. Fvfnyc (talk) 22:50, 18 December 2025 (UTC)
- I'd definitely be curious to see what other editors think who might want to jump in here! Likeanechointheforest (talk) 19:12, 19 December 2025 (UTC)