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Region

It is unreasonable to keep reverting 'Southeastern' as a description of Maryland.

The 'Mason-Dixon Line' is not 'imaginary'. It is an opinion that it has been 'politically irrelevant since the Civil War'. (It also happens to be demonstrably untrue if you look at presidential election maps, as Prof. Frederic Paxson pointed out [1].) 'Many sources list' doesn't matter. The US Census Bureau is the source for most states' regional designations. That the Census Bureau is 'archaic' is, again, an opinion. If it is archaic, why is it used to support most states' regional designations?

The CB excludes Maryland from the Mid-Atlantic; it also excludes Virginia from the Mid-Atlantic, and yet Virginia is listed as *both* a Mid-Atlantic and Southeastern state. It is possible for a state to be in multiple regions.

Every edit is of necessity unilateral. I do not see any consensus on the topic, and the status quo is not any reason for keeping anything.

Maryland was founded, very much like Virginia, as an English planter colony. There are reasonable, objective reasons regarding Delaware and Missouri (although I do not happen to agree). Delaware was part of Pennsylvania, and the reason it exists is because of Pennsylvania. Missouri was the result of a compromise. None of these things is true of Maryland.

Maryland's recent former state song is not the state song of a non-Southern state. The flag of Maryland consciously includes elements designed to reconcile pro-unionist and pro-Confederate Marylanders. There were a number of Maryland Confederate regiments (which is not the case of Delaware).

On election night 1988, Tom Brokaw referred to Maryland as a 'border state' (a way that many other non-Confederate states described as Southeastern or South Central are described). This was just 33 years ago. Even more recently, former Maryland Governor Parris Glendening was Chair of the Southern States Energy Board from 1995 to 2003. [2] He was also in the executive committee of the now-defunct Southern Governors' Association. I have found documentation of Maryland belonging to the SGA as recently as 2004. [3]

As recently as 2001, Maryland's state Senate president was elected chairman of the Southern Legislative Conference. [4] I am aware that Maryland is no longer in said conference. But regional designations do not shift with changing demographics. Or, if they do, why aren't Massachusetts, Rhode Island, and Connecticut no longer considered New England? Why isn't Colorado no longer considered a Mountain West state? For that matter, why is Florida considered a Southern state? My guess is it's because there's no other region in which to put Florida.

Notice the article says that MD is 'relatively progressive' within the South. That could now describe Virginia. 'Many people' are coming to be of the opinion that Virginia is no longer Southern. [5] Will Virginia be removed from 'the South' at some point? Either it will, which is patently absurd, or it won't, which is hypocritical--the only reason it won't is because most people editing these articles will have a living memory of when Virginia was considered straightforwardly Southern, unlike with Maryland.

People seem to be of the opinion that Maryland is not Southern because it is heavily urban, liberal, or whatever, none of which is has anything to do with whether a state is Southern or not. 'Southern' does not mean 'country'. In the antebellum period, New Orleans was one of the country's largest cities. Today, Miami and Atlanta should disqualify their states from the South, by that token. If it's about politics, again, Colorado is no longer a Mountain West state. I don't know what it is, but it's not that.

Toadmore (talk) 08:37, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

First of all you have repeatedly ignored the warning on the edit page not to change the region. Second there is a specific talk page dedicated to discussion on Maryland's region (see top of page).

This topic has been argued ad nauseum. I think everyone agrees that Maryland, like Delaware and the District of Columbia, exhibits characteristics of both the Northeast and South. The previous status quo—defining Maryland as Mid-Atlantic (which the vast majority of sources agree on) and expanding on its connections to the Northeast and South later in the article—was a widely accepted compromise that has been in place for years (see: Delaware article as well). According to the Wikipedia Manual of Style, the lead paragraph of an article, especially the first sentence, is supposed to have a neutral point of view, which your edit violates. Another editor could just as easily and validly classify Maryland as a Northeastern state. This is exactly what happened in the past and led to an edit war, which is why the intro is what it is now.

Regarding your points above:

- You cite the Census Bureau, but there is no "Southeast" Census region. The Census Bureau itself considered moving Maryland, Delaware, and the District to the Northeast and Mid-Atlantic regions but declined for reasons of data continuity and comparison. Virtually every definition of the Mid-Atlantic independent of the Census Bureau's includes Maryland in the Mid-Atlantic.

- It's funny that you cite the SGA, since Maryland became a member of CSG East over a decade ago.

- The strongest arguments defining Maryland as Southern point back to its past prior to the Civil War. I could easily list hundreds sources, organizations, definitions, arguments, etc. going back to the antebellum period in support of Maryland being a Northeastern state.

- Politics, economics, and population density of course play a big role in defining a region. The rapid growth and industrialization of Baltimore from the mid-1800s onward (supported in large part by European immigration) is a huge part of Maryland's identity.

In any case the article lead is supposed to provide a brief summary of Maryland today (politically, economically, demographically, etc.), and while you are correct that there is no consensus on whether the state is Southeastern or Northeastern, there is consensus on it being Mid-Atlantic (which is what I was referring to before).

007bond (talk) 03:47, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. I don't know how to do this so it appears as a response, so I don't know if it will or not.

Regarding your first paragraph, I was not aware of either of these things. I do not see why there should be a warning against editing the region, but regardless I was not aware there was such a warning. If there is, why is there one?

You keep comparing Delaware to Maryland, but these are two different states with different histories and backgrounds. Demographically, Delaware is dominated by Wilmington (and has been for over a century). Writing as though what goes for Delaware, goes for Maryland, is a red herring.

'According to the Wikipedia Manual of Style, the lead paragraph of an article, especially the first sentence, is supposed to have a neutral point of view, which your edit violates.' This is an opinion on your part (and an accusation at that). As I mentioned on the edit page, I linked the *very same source* in support of Maryland being Southeastern (as well as, by the way, Mid-Atlantic), as is used to support that for Virginia. So why is that considered 'non-neutral' for Virginia?

As I also mentioned on the edit page, I changed the citation from Census Bureau to the source used on Virginia's page, the Nat. Geographic IIRC. In any case, I doubt it'd make you any happier to call Maryland 'South Atlantic', as the CB does.

'Virtually every definition of the Mid-Atlantic independent of the Census Bureau's includes Maryland in the Mid-Atlantic.' Again, a state is capable of being multi-regional. Virginia is noted as being both Mid-Atl. and SE in the lead sentence. Pennsylvania is noted as being in three regions, one of which is Appalachia, which certainly strikes me as counterintuitive (although not incorrect). (There is no source for that either, by the way.)

'It's funny that you cite the SGA, since Maryland became a member of CSG East over a decade ago.' Over a decade ago is the blink of an eye in determining whether a state belongs to this or that region. Are states going to be subject to being shuffled from region to region on a decade-by-decade basis? In any case, the SGA no longer exists.

'The strongest arguments defining Maryland as Southern point back to its past prior to the Civil War.' This is not true. I already noted Paxson writing in 1912, half a century after the Civil War, as well as a number of authoritative sources in the last several centuries, as well as some of my own arguments relating to things that happened just a matter of years ago. I'm not going to rehash them if you didn't bother paying attn. to them in the first place.

'Politics, economics, and population density of course play a big role in defining a region. The rapid growth and industrialization of Baltimore from the mid-1800s onward (supported in large part by European immigration) is a huge part of Maryland's identity.' That's why Maryland is both a SE and a Mid-Atl state. If we called Pennsylvania *just* an Appalachian state, that would give the misimpression that it's entirely like West Virginia. However, the fact that Philadelphia is not like West Virginia does not prevent Wikipedia calling Pennsylvania Appalachian *as well as* Mid-Atlantic (and, I believe, Northeastern).

Also, again, this would certainly argue in favour of Florida not being a Southeastern state. I'm not sure why you haven't taken it upon yourself to ban people from calling Florida SE in the lead sentence of its Wikipedia page. I've lived in Miami, the largest city in Florida, and it is not any more Southern than Baltimore, which I have spent time in.

I'm not sure why you have such a great interest in stopping Maryland being called Southeastern (along with Mid-Atlantic), when this is a perfectly reasonable and accurate description and in fact adds accuracy, and when it is certainly no less accurate than calling Florida Southeastern. (In fact, it is somewhat misleading to call Florida *simply* Southeastern, at least by your logic, because of what Florida is *today*. And, as I noted above, the same could easily become true of Virginia in the foreseeable future. The same, indeed, is arguably true of Colorado vis-a-vis the Mountain West, as, much as Baltimore has given Maryland a [somewhat] different trajectory to other Southern states, so has Denver, Colorado vis-a-vis the other Mountain West states. And yet it does not seem important to you to insist that Colorado be reclassified as...something.)

In any case, you seem to be threatening that I can be banned for undoing your edits; I don't know if you have that authority or not, but even if you don't, it'd be a waste of my time to keep undoing your edits. As I asked on your page, is there an authority above you I can speak to about this. Otherwise, I'll let this stand as my argument on the topic. Good day.

Toadmore (talk) 05:13, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Southern Maryland is a centuries long recognized region of Maryland. The article (that I linked here, at the start of this post) is flawed, but certainly proves the validity of that region.

Chesapeake77 (talk) 20:48, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Only editors from Maryland should decide this. We know our history. This is not a debate about what a non-Maryland resident thinks when they look at a map. Chesapeake77 ^{>>> ♥ Truth} 14:19, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I very much agree! thank you! I'm a native Marylander and we are are in the Northeast! IloveHistory1776 (talk) 11:49, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You are from Baltimore which culturally, politically, and topography is basically an extension of Pennsylvania since you basically are on the line with Pennsylvania. That is not a representation or even a middle ground for representing all the different parts of the state nor is that historically accurate as Maryland was a border slave state and in colonial times was a southern colony. Southern Maryland,Eastern shore Maryland and even in ways western Maryland do not fall in line with what you are saying. So nice try but you need to decide if your representing all of Maryland and find a middle ground or just be honest and say your own little bubble in central Maryland Jblack1994 (talk) 20:06, 21 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You are not a native Marylander if you are from the District of Columbia or a surrounding region that is its own region altogether it does exemplify Maryland in anyway shape or form so I’d double check that with yourself Jblack1994 (talk) 20:00, 21 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Can we just remove this bit entirely and stop arguing about it? GMG^talk 20:08, 21 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  When they have it accurately describing Maryland in both historical and modern day sense and a representation of the entire state so finding a combination to create a middle ground because that in fact is what it is. The same way they did for West Virginia,Virginia and Delaware where they have them as falling in both the mid Atlantic and south Atlantic but somehow the one state that fits that perfectly as a border state and is completely surrounded by those other states is the one they refuse to categorize as that. Put it as mid Atlantic and south Atlantic and the debate will be done and their are citations that can be found for it being in both of those regions Jblack1994 (talk) 21:22, 21 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Just say it's on the East Coast of the United States. It's just a broad introductory sentence for people who know so little about US geography they don't already know where Maryland is. In other words, this is kindof a stupid argument. GMG^talk 14:36, 22 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  It’s an accurate and educational introductory for people who know so little about US geography. Being educated is not stupid since that’s what you are stating in your message. Wikipedia and any source is there for people to learn what they don’t know and go to different sources cited that can help them explore that. Is that not what Wikipedia is for? That entire region West Virginia,Virginia and Delaware are all listed as in both the Mid Atlantic and either southeastern or south Atlantic region on their Wikipedia pages as well because that area of our country in both historical and modern times is an interesting overlap that people get to learn about. Maryland is part of that region with those states and is at the heart of it so why would we inaccurately exclude it when geographically and otherwise is in the same region as those states Jblack1994 (talk) 08:41, 23 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Also putting it as just east coast of the United States is inaccurate as that encompasses Maine all the way to Florida. Wikipedia and its sources cited are for in depth research about specific areas and topics so why would you want to take that away from people and deprive them of that is that not what research and education are for? Jblack1994 (talk) 08:43, 23 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Inaccurate? ...Pretty sure the East Coast is the one on the right. GMG^talk 15:00, 23 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Yes which is encompasses the northern,mid Atlantic and southern United States so why not change very state then? Pretty concerning your on here if that’s the case maybe you can the existing Wikipedia pages and educate your own self on it so your then able to comment and help others Jblack1994 (talk) 16:33, 23 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Why don’t you go read the introductory sentences for West Virginia,Virginia and Delaware they are introduced the same way it’ll break it down for you so you can visually see it. Wikipedia thought it was accurate for all those in the same region with the same dynamic Jblack1994 (talk) 16:56, 23 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Well, then I would suggest you open a request for comment. Continuing this will likely end up in a judicious block. It's a wonder nothing has happened thus far, given that you've reinserted the content around a half dozen times and been reverted by two others. GMG^talk 18:16, 23 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  I’ve tried that and it won’t open up for me to do it. When I reinsert I use reliable sources such as an article from a university liberary and have it cited and the citation marks. That’s what anything else related to that topic when it comes to it being Mid Atlantic is done and that is accepted so I followed the guidelines for that. Also how come if you don’t like the evidence and if I do something with following the right procedure do you want something negative to happen to me ? I don’t see that happening to others they accept the research and it’s not like I’m the only one who has tried this on this page for this topic so it isn’t an isolated situation it means other people also want factual information ALL of it not just cherry picking Jblack1994 (talk) 19:58, 23 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  You open a new section here on the talk. You add {{rfc|hist}} to the section. You add a neutral question below it, like "should the lead include southern" or whatever. Whatever the result is, then folks will need to live with it.

  I don't really care that much about the wording or you in particular. I'm just saying that bad things happen when people just repeatedly add content after being reverted. Take the advice or don't. It doesn't matter to me. GMG^talk 00:41, 24 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Thankyou I appreciate it I’ll look into it Jblack1994 (talk) 02:30, 24 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

History Omission

The history omitts the William Claiborne's settlement founded in 1631 on Kent Island and implies that St Mary's City was the first settlement, which is not accurate. 38.124.144.75 (talk) 21:24, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Maryland: North or south?

As a native Marylander, Maryland is in the north! It is very cold up here, and having visiting both Northern and Southern states, Maryland is very northeastern. So please when you edit or make documents do not list Maryland in the south. Put it in the northeast\mid-Atlantic United States IloveHistory1776 (talk) 11:45, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please read WP:OR about the need for reliable sourcing and not original research. —ADavidB 09:56, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It’s also very cold in Kentucky,West Virginia and Virginia that isn’t a reason to label them the north and also as a Marylander who lives in the actual north now no your winters are not cold the way they are now n the Midwestern or northeastern states that’s almost laughable. Also what you mean to say is you live in central Maryland which is general American transplant culture area so it doesn’t exemplify much of a native culture because for every other region if Maryland that is not the case and no nobody cares if the largest population lives there that’s a diversion from what the topic is about and what someone’s explanation is to it. There is a middle ground that can be found your one or two counties are not the only in Maryland and can I say for Marylanders in every other area of the state whether they think we are northern or southern you wouldn’t represent any of realities or culture anyway as your area is starkly different and with a lot of non natives Jblack1994 (talk) 21:29, 21 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Because it’s cold in the winter? This is such a laughable reason. What is going on in this talk section? Do people not understand history and even current government designations? This is supposed to be an educational resource. You being cold in the winter has nothing to do with anything. I’m a native Marylander as well, and I contend our state is Southern. States don’t change regions because their cultures or demographics change over time. ~2025-38557-43 (talk) 23:37, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly and this is the educational and factual point I’ve been trying to get across. This is a great explanation Jblack1994 (talk) 07:22, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Pronunciation

Is the pronunciation shown for the second syllable correct? The IPA shows it as ɪl and the English respelling as il. As a Brit who has spent some time there, I always heard it as əl, which is how the audio sample sounds. Any natives got a comment?

I have deleted the disruptive edit on this page claiming it is pronounced Mary-land. Masato.harada (talk) 10:12, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Regional Location

Per the notice at the top of the edit page, any change to Maryland's regional location requires consensus per Wikipedia rules. Note that there is not (and apparently has never been) clear consensus on Maryland being a Northeastern/Northern or Southern/Southeastern/South Atlantic state, since there are multiple valid government and non-government sources for its inclusion in either region.

The only region in which Maryland is included with clear broad consensus is the Mid-Atlantic, which is why this designation has long been included in the article lead section, despite the Census Bureau specifically excluding the state from the Mid-Atlantic. This aligns with the Wikipedia policy that articles, especially the lead, are required to be written from a neutral point of view.

Note that the cited South Atlantic Census Bureau definition, as well as multiple definitions including the state in the Northeastern United States are already included in the Demographics section.

Of course, any additional regional definitions for Maryland would obviously be welcome if supported by citations to reliable sources. 007bond (talk) 22:03, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What you mean to say it doesn’t align with your bias and you’re going to do whatever you want. There are plenty of government agencies such as census bureau, the CDC, some businesses use that designation in the southern and eastern parts,The air and waste management association just to name a few. So yes it is officially listed and can be cited the same as can be said for it overlapping with the Mid Atlantic region which there is many organizations and government agencies that you can cite for that as well. So it shows na overlap and duality when it comes to that Jblack1994 (talk) 21:48, 21 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, there are valid sources that designate Maryland as South Atlantic or Southeastern (most of which that do simply copy the Census Bureau's regional definitions).

Additionally, there are even more entities that designatie Maryland as a Northeastern state, but there is obviously no clear consensus on one or the other (as opposed to "Mid-Atlantic" or "East Coast").

There is already a lengthy paragraph within the article discussing the nuances of Maryland's regional designation and the historical, political, economic, and cultural contexts, along with various definitions from valid sources. This is the appropriate location to add any additional sources or regional designations, rather than unilaterally altering the very first sentence of the lead section with a disputed designation without seeking any sort of consensus. 007bond (talk) 16:13, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There is consensus actually any governmental or official designation is for the south Atlantic. Virginia,West Virginia and Delaware are listed as both Mid Atlantic and South Atlantic in their opening sentences. As for Northeastern I’ve never seen anything officially where it’s affiliated with that region, only the Mid Atlantic and southern region has it been associated with so that is an opinion. The surrounding states on your Wikipedia website show those states designated as both Mid Atlantic and South Atlantic or Southeastern Jblack1994 (talk) 17:27, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Federal agencies that list Maryland as a South Atlantic state are simply adhering to the Census Bureau definition. Meanwhile, there are multiple federal agencies (EPA, Library of Congress, FBI, Nuclear Regulatory Commission, Amtrak, etc.) with their own regional delineations, most of which do not classify MD as part of the "South" "Southeast" or "South Atlantic."

If you actually read the article before reflexively repeating your bad faith edits in the Intro paragraph, you would see the various geographic definitions cited including "South Atlantic". 007bond (talk) 17:15, 16 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Why are you the end all be all of this topic? You have a personal bias about Maryland being part of the South as it historically and currently is designated by the United States government. This needs to stop. The current version is correct, however I would even contend that its designation of being a South Atlantic state come before its designation as a MidAtlantic state since the United States government does not designate it as a MidAtlatic state. ~2025-38557-43 (talk) 23:34, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thankyou for your agreement and it’s not a bias it’s a consensus about a fact the same about every state around it on both sides and under it on Wikipedia unfactual things don’t belong on platforms like this and presenting something educational wise is wrong which is why it should say both Mid Atlantic and southern region or Mid Atlantic and South Atlantic as all the states around it are introduced in Wikipedia and kept that way Jblack1994 (talk) 07:20, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

1. Wikipedia is not a "United States government" website. For instance, even though the US government designates the Gulf of Mexico as the "Gulf of America" doesn't mean that the Wikipedia article needs to concur.

2. Maryland is undisputedly predominantly classified as a Mid-Atlantic state (which directly contradicts the Census Bureau's definition). In fact, Maryland and Delaware are probably referred to more often as Mid-Atlantic than any other states, and are often considered to be quintessential Mid-Atlantic. (In a literal sense the term Mid-Atlantic means in between North and South.)

You're certainly free to accuse me of "bias" but I think it's obvious (based on the edit notice on this page and the debates that stretch back well before I edited WP) that Maryland's geographical location is disputed, and there is no clear consensus on any definition except Mid-Atlantic.

My personal opinion (which is irrelevant) is that the definition isn't cut and dry. If I had to choose one or the other, I believe Maryland shares more in common with the Northeast than the South culturally, economically, and demographically, and has since the late 19th century. That said, there is obviously a lot of nuance, since the state has an extraordinary diversity in its human and geographical landscape for its small size. I believe that the Lower Eastern Shore (similarly to "Lower Slower" DE), as well as some communities in Southern Maryland are much more "Southern" than "Northern" in character. Western Maryland (which is only three counties and accounts for less than 5% of the state's population) has an Appalachian culture and economy that transcends the arbitrary North/South division.

In any case, clumsy, intentionally disruptive edits in the very first sentence of the article's intro paragraph that definitively classify that Maryland as a South Atlantic state without any context and when that definition directly contradicts the vetted Mid-Atlantic definition (and violates the page edit warning and WP's edit policies) are certainly warranted for reversion.007bond (talk) 17:57, 16 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Actually a large reason from New York down to Delaware the reason that region is phrased as the Mid Atlantic because those were the middle colonies which were between the southern colonies and New England colonies. Maryland was not a middle colony so it wouldn’t fit with that. Also it is very clear this isn’t a governmental website as they would change all your definitions lol so that doesn’t mean to be said but yes cited sources and the government do have more say then your personal opinion Jblack1994 (talk) 00:38, 17 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Middle Colonies ≠ Mid-Atlantic States. In any case, I'm not going to argue with you.

You continue to ignore:

1. The Maryland page edit notice and Wikipedia's Consensus Policy

2. The many valid sources (including the government agencies listed in my comment above) that directly contradict your edits in the lead

3. The existing vetted and cited section of the page that discusses Maryland's regional location, including the Census Bureau's definition (among others).

If the disruptive edits I continue I will defer to WP's dispute resolution and/or page protection policies.

007bond (talk) 18:11, 29 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

First of all you’re not going to argue with me you are very correct about that. Maryland was not a middle colony clearly someone needs to go back to school because even a 5th grader knows that. Second of all, you just said you cited and sourced government agencies and that is your proof for what you have it listed as , when this entire time I have done the same thing and you repeatedly said we can’t use government agencies because that isn’t valid… so which is it? Also if the disruptive edits continue as you say which they are not I’m using the same guidelines as you ,I will be reporting your inconstancies in the guidelines that you give. You flop back and forth with your rules and after this if it happens again your will be reported for your double standards I am only putting what the surrounding states on Wikipedia are also listed as Jblack1994 (talk) 20:10, 29 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Just for the record I did not state:

1. That Maryland was a Middle Colony.

2. That "we can’t use government agencies because that isn’t valid."

007bond (talk) 03:42, 2 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Quite the gaslighter huh lol. Go back to second to last message you left where you said Wikipedia is not a government website and that was your reason for taking that source off. You also put middles colonies equals mid Atlantic. It is there plain as day so nice try Jblack1994 (talk) 22:09, 2 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I have the messages and will be reporting you at this point you constantly keep using double standards which I can’t imagine what other Wikipedia pages you are doing that too Jblack1994 (talk) 22:10, 2 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Wiki Education assignment: Fire Semester 2

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 27 January 2025 and 13 May 2025. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Knguyen 69 (article contribs).

— Assignment last updated by Knguyen 69 (talk) 19:42, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Dimensions Are Wrong

The box on the right says the length is 250 mi (400 km), and the width is 100 mi (200 km). That makes the length be 2.5 times the width when measured in miles, and 2 times the width when measured in kilometers. Even if all numbers are rounded to the nearest ten (which they should not be), there are no dimensions that could make the ratio be 2.5 or 2 depending on what unit. EvanJ35 (talk) 19:58, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I've adjusted the numbers per https://msa.maryland.gov/msa/mdmanual/01glance/html/area.html, rounding to the nearest 5. I also specified the km conversions rather than relying on whatever automatic conversion/rounding the template uses. —ADavidB 12:40, 29 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Baltimore may be more northeastern culturally but not southern Maryland,eastern shore Maryland and in a sense even western Maryland. Baltimore and DC do not speak for an entire state which in those other areas more people then not do consider theirself southern still. Maryland falls on the line of the south and mid Atlantic. Not to mention central Maryland is not an example of the orginal cultures you would find in Maryland as it is a general American transplant area the same you would find in any state. The same way Chicago does not exemplify 90% of Illinois or Atlanta is not an example of the rest of the state of Georgia. So there needs to be a check and balance where it holds weight for that middle ground. The reason you don’t find this reason with ACTUAL northern states is because they have never historically or present day been culturally, politically, territory wise or even topography wise southern or something that could be confused for that there’s not even a hint of it where in Maryland that is still part of the roots of Maryland and even into its present day or else there wouldn’t be such an arguement over it Jblack1994 (talk) 19:57, 21 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Possibility of adding a cybersecurity section to economy

I noticed that the Economy section currently highlights biotechnology but does not mention cybersecurity, even though Maryland hosts a significant cybersecurity workforce, major federal cybersecurity agencies, and research centers. Would it be appropriate to add a subsection or paragraph on cybersecurity as part of Maryland’s economy and innovation ecosystem, with reliable sources? Cybersecurity1234 (talk) 20:13, 17 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]