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Many of these questions arise frequently on the talk page concerning Muhammad.
Q1: Shouldn't all the images of Muhammad be removed because they might offend Muslims?
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Wikipedia is not bound by any religious prohibitions, and it is an encyclopedia that strives to represent all topics from a neutral point of view, and therefore Wikipedia is not censored for the sake of any particular group. So long as they are relevant to the article and do not violate any of Wikipedia's existing policies, nor the laws of locations where Wikipedia's servers are hosted, no content or images will be removed from Wikipedia because people find them objectionable or offensive. (See also: Wikipedia:Content disclaimer.) Wikipedia does not single out Islam in this. There is content that may be equally offensive to other religious people, such as the 1868 photograph shown at Bahá'u'lláh (offensive to adherents of the Bahá'í Faith), or the account of Scientology's "secret doctrine" at Xenu (offensive to adherents of Scientology), or the account at Timeline of human evolution (offensive to adherents of young Earth creationism). Submitting to all these various sensitivities would make writing a neutral encyclopedia impossible. Also note that the prohibition of depicting Muhammad is not universal among Muslim communities; for example, the Farsi language article on Muhammad is maintained by Muslims and includes such images. For a discussion, see Depictions of Muhammad and Aniconism in Islam.
Q2: Aren't the images of Muhammad false?
A2: No claim is made about the accuracy of the depictions of Muhammad. The artists who painted these images lived hundreds of years after Muhammad and could not have seen him themselves. This fact is made absolutely clear in the image captions. The images are duly presented as notable 14th- to 17th-century Muslim artwork depicting Muhammad, not as contemporary portraits. See Depictions of Muhammad for a more detailed discussion of Muslim artwork depicting Muhammad.
Similar artistic interpretations are used in articles for Homer, Charlemagne, Paul of Tarsus, and many other historical figures. When no accurate images (i.e. painted after life, or photographs) exist, it is a longstanding practice on Wikipedia to incorporate images that are historically significant artwork and/or typical examples of popular depictions. Using images that readers understand to be artistic representations, so long as those images illustrate the topic effectively, is considered to be more instructive than using no image at all. Random recent depictions may be removed as undue in terms of notability, while historical artwork (in this case, of the Late Medieval or Ottoman period) adds significantly to the presentation of how Muhammad was being topicalized throughout history. These depictions are not intended as factual representations of Muhammad's face; rather, they are merely artists' conceptions. Such portrayals generally convey a certain aspect of a particular incident, most commonly the event itself, or maybe the act, akin to the Western genre of history painting. The depictions are, thus, not meant to be accurate in the sense of a modern photograph, and are presented here for what they are: yet another form in which Muhammad was depicted. None of these pictures hold a central position in the article, as evident by their placement, nor are they an attempt to insult the subject. Several factions of Christianity oppose the use of hagiographic imagery (even to the point of fighting over it), but the images are still on Wikipedia, exactly for what they are—i.e. artistic renditions of said people.
Q3: How can I hide the images using my personal Wikipedia settings?
A3: If you do not wish to view Muhammad images, you can hide the depictions in this article from your personal account by following the steps outlined at Help:Options to hide an image § Disable images on specific pages:
Please note that this will not hide the images for other users, or from yourself if you log out of your account. See Help:Options to hide an image, for the numerous other options available to hide images. Alternatives: If you do not have an account, and do not wish to register an account, you can disable all images on Wikipedia by going to the mobile version of the website (option to toggle at the bottom of any given page), then going to "settings" and choosing "images off". You may also block a list of specified images, following the format of the example at Talk:Muhammad/images/example css. Experienced JavaScript programmers can hide depictions of Muhammad on the desktop site using Greasemonkey or a similar tool.
Q4: Why does the infobox at the top of the article contain a stylized logo and not a picture of Muhammad?
A4: This has been discussed many times on Talk:Muhammad and many debates can be found in the archives. Because calligraphic depictions of Muhammad are the most common and recognizable worldwide, the current consensus is to include a calligraphic depiction of Muhammad in the infobox and artists' depictions further down in the article. An RFC discussion confirmed this consensus.
Q5: Why is Muhammad's name not followed by (pbuh) or (saw) in the article?
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Wikipedia's biography style guidelines recommend omitting all honorifics, such as The Prophet, (The) Holy Prophet, (pbuh), or (saw), that precede or follow Muhammad's name. This is because many editors consider such honorifics as promoting an Islamic point of view instead of a neutral point of view which Wikipedia is required to maintain. Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people) also recommends against the use of titles or honorifics, such as Prophet, unless it is the simplest and most neutral way to deal with disambiguation. When disambiguation is necessary, the recommended form is the Islamic prophet Muhammad.
Q6: Why does the article say that Muhammad is the "founder" of Islam?
A6: While the Muslim viewpoint about Muhammad is already presented in the article, a Wikipedia biography article should emphasize historical and scholarly viewpoints. The contention that Islam has always existed is a religious belief, grounded in faith, and Wikipedia cannot promote religious beliefs as facts. Because no religion known as "Islam" exists in any recorded history prior to Muhammad, and Muhammad created the conditions for Islam to spread by unifying Arabia into a single religious polity, he effectively founded the establishment of Islam as the dominant religion in the region. The word "founder" is used in that context, and not intended to imply that Muhammad invented the religion he introduced to Arabia.
Q7: Why does it look like the article is biased toward secular or "Western" references?
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Accusations of bias toward Western references are often made when an objection is raised against the display of pictures of Muhammad or lack of honorifics when mentioning Muhammad. All articles on Wikipedia are required to present a neutral point of view. This neutrality is sometimes mistaken for hostility. Note that exactly the same guidelines apply to articles about Christianity or any other religion. In addition, this article is hosted on the English-language Wikipedia. While references in languages other than English are not automatically inappropriate, English-language references are preferred, because they are of the most use to the typical reader. This therefore predisposes the material used in this article to some degree (see WP:NONENG).
Q8: Why can't I edit this article as a new or anonymous user?
A8: Persistent disruption of the page has forced us to disable editing by anonymous editors and new accounts, while still allowing edits by more experienced users who are familiar with Wikipedia's editorial policies and guidelines. This is likely to remain the case for the foreseeable future.
In any case, the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License grants everybody the right to republish this article elsewhere, and even to modify it themselves, so long as the original authors (Wikipedia contributors) are also credited and the derivative work is distributed under the same license.
Q9: Can censorship be employed on Wikipedia?
A9: No. The official policy is that Wikipedia is not censored.
Q10: Because Muhammad married an underage girl, should the article say he was a pedophile?
A10: This question has been actively discussed in Talk:Muhammad, and those discussions are archived. According to most traditional sources, Muhammad consummated his marriage to his third wife Aisha when she was nine years old. This was not considered unusual in Muhammad's culture and time period; therefore, there is no reason for the article to refer to Muhammad in the context of pedophilia.[1] Even today, in parts of the world, the legal age of consent is as young as eleven years old, or any age inside of a marriage. In any case, any modern controversy about Aisha's age is not best dealt with in a biography about Muhammad. See the articles on Aisha and Criticism of Muhammad § Aisha for further information.
Q11: Why was my request or comment removed?
A11: Requests that are already covered in this FAQ document may be removed without consideration, unless the request demonstrates an understanding of past discussions as well as relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines (for example WP:Reliable sources, WP:PBUH, and WP:UNDUE), or unless the request explores new reasoning that hasn't been discussed previously. Unconstructive complaints or obviously AI-generated requests will also be removed.
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Frequently asked questions, please read before posting
[edit]Please read Talk:Muhammad/FAQ for answers to these frequently-asked questions (you need to tap "Read as wiki page" to see the relevant text):
- Shouldn't all the images of Muhammad be removed because they might offend Muslims?
- Aren't the images of Muhammad false?
- How can I hide the images using my personal Wikipedia settings?
- Why does the infobox at the top of the article contain a stylized logo and not a picture of Muhammad?
- Why is Muhammad's name not followed by (pbuh) or (saw) in the article?
- Why does the article say that Muhammad is the "founder" of Islam?
- Why does it look like the article is biased towards secular or "Western" references?
- Why can't I edit this article as a new or anonymous user?
- Can censorship be employed on Wikipedia?
- Because Muhammad married an underage girl, should the article say he was a pedophile?
- Why was my request or comment removed?
Migration to Abyssinia reboot
[edit]Without engaging in the sourcing debate above, there are several more immediate and pertinent questions raised by the Migration to Abyssinia section. The first is a central question of due weight. This section is 600 words or 4.4% of the page. Is this appropriate, and is it commensurate with the level of coverage in relevant sources on the subject, including other tertiary sources. In the case of Britannica, the verdict appears to be no. The Encyclopedia dedicates no space to the sub-topic at the scale of a top-level summary of the master topic here. That might beg the question of why it represents 4.4% of the topic here. Does it represent nearly 5% of the most important information on the topic? I suspect the answer is probably not. Next, Migration to Abyssinia is its own page and is linked, so this section should really only be a balanced top-level summary of the child, which ... is it? In its current form, apparently not. If the Satanic Verses material represents an episode in the broader Migration to Abyssinia arc, then the Satanic Verses page is a direct child of that one, not this one. If that is the case, we would first expect to see a summary of the grandchild topic on Migration to Abyssinia and then an extremely brief mention, perhaps a sentence on the grandchild topic, here. Instead, what we appear to have is both an overemphasis on the child topic and an even more extreme overemphasis on the child of that topic again all on this page. This is not the proper weighting or structuring of the material. If Satanic Verses is indeed a sub-topic/child of/episode in the arc of the Migration to Abyssinia then it should first be summarized there. And here, given the very brief overview of the subject, there should be a very brief summary of the child, summarizing agreed upon points of scholarly consensus, not giving space to individual views. Iskandar323 (talk) 17:20, 13 November 2025 (UTC)
- No one has responded, but I'm trimming this down. The Satanic Verses section has also been copied to the migration to Abyssinia child page. Iskandar323 (talk) 20:24, 11 January 2026 (UTC)
Respect for Holy Prophet Muhammad SAW
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As wikipedia mentions Alexander as Alexander the great, we demand that the greatest leader should be addressed with utmost love and respect i.e Holy Prophet Muhammad SAW ~2025-35254-28 (talk) 02:16, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
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NPOV
[edit]"Pagans who had not yet converted were very bitter about the advance of Islam."
This doesn't read like an encyclopedic article but rather as a hagiography. Rvosa (talk) 13:53, 21 December 2025 (UTC)
- What change to the text would you propose? It seems a clear way of stating their unhappiness about the spread of the upstart religion. —C.Fred (talk) 13:57, 21 December 2025 (UTC)
- I'd improve it by removing the word "very", which is a meaningless intensifier. As Mark Twain is supposed to have said, every instance of "very" should be replaced with "damn" and then reviewed for whether the intensifier should remain. ~Anachronist (who / me) (talk) 17:42, 21 December 2025 (UTC)
- I went ahead and removed it, along with two other occurrences of "very". ~Anachronist (who / me) (talk) 18:15, 21 December 2025 (UTC)
- I suspect the OP is referring more to the use of the word "pagan". Like "heathen" or "kafir" it can (but not always) give a derogatory tone. More generally, the article does recount his life as told, more or less, by the traditional Muslim narrative (with the odd additional gloss here and there). The Jesus article makes it clearer that the account is based on the Christian sources with frequent referencing of the source ("Luke says", "According to the Synoptics.." etc). It's more difficult to do that with this article because the volume of information and detail is so much greater. Stylistically it could be quite repetitive. Not sure what the solution is but having just read over a chunk of the article I think it doesn't quite hit the right encyclopaedic tone anymore (and perhaps it never did). DeCausa (talk) 19:07, 21 December 2025 (UTC)
- "Pagan", in the specific historical, descriptive and academically understood context here, just means polytheist or non-monotheist, no? Iskandar323 (talk) 20:22, 11 January 2026 (UTC)
- I'd improve it by removing the word "very", which is a meaningless intensifier. As Mark Twain is supposed to have said, every instance of "very" should be replaced with "damn" and then reviewed for whether the intensifier should remain. ~Anachronist (who / me) (talk) 17:42, 21 December 2025 (UTC)
Question
[edit]Where to post questions and propose edit changes on the page ? ~2026-19602-0 (talk) 13:49, 11 January 2026 (UTC)
- @~2026-19602-0: Right here. Iskandar323 (talk) 14:04, 11 January 2026 (UTC)
- Thank you in advance:) ~2026-19602-0 (talk) 22:06, 11 January 2026 (UTC)
- Depends a bit on what type of questions, but if it's about improving this WP-article, this is the place. Check if some of your questions have answers at Talk:Muhammad#Frequently_asked_questions,_please_read_before_posting first. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:31, 11 January 2026 (UTC)
- Btw, if you wonder why this [1] was removed, it was because it's not a question or as far as could be told about improving this article. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:46, 11 January 2026 (UTC)
- Not really ? ~2026-19602-0 (talk) 22:06, 11 January 2026 (UTC)
Why is the page promoting a revisionist view rather than a Balanced academic view?
[edit]Hello there,
I am not arguing the historicity of the events themselves, but I believe the page fails to adhere to the Neutral Point of View (NPOV) rule in several places, and it could benefit from a more balanced academic perspective. I am asking for a revision of the historical "facts" the article presents, and for a broader range of sources to be used, as well as references to other related pages. There are many scholarly opinions mentioned, but for example, when you quote John Burton and explain his view in detail, and then briefly mention that Karen Armstrong believes that, thanks to the early biographies, we know more about Muhammad than we do about the founders of almost all other major religions, this is not neutral. This gives too much weight to one opinion while passing over others. This is also repeated elsewhere in the article. The page also contains false information. It claims that the earliest sirah is Ibn Ishaq. This is not accurate; Ibn Ishaq’s sirah is not the "earliest known" or "earliest surviving." There are earlier sirahs, such as Musa ibn ʿUqbah, which survives in its entirety, along with others that didn’t survive fully. This should be corrected. In the hadith section, we find claims like: "Hadiths were compiled several generations after his death by Muslims.""The hadiths generally present an idealized view of Muhammad."a) This isn't true, simply put. b) This shows a misunderstanding of what a hadith is. For example, the Sahifah of Hammam ibn Munabbih is one of the oldest surviving books of hadith, and it was not written generations later. Hammam was alive at the same time as many of the companions of Muhammad. The claim that the hadiths "idealize" Muhammad is not encyclopedic information; it’s a conclusion with no solid evidence to back it. There are many sahih (authentic) and not sahih (inauthentic) hadiths that do not provide an "idealized view" of Muhammad. For example, here’s a sahih hadith: "Umm Salamah reported the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) as saying: 'I am only a human being, and you bring your disputes to me, some perhaps being more eloquent in their plea than others, so that I give judgement on their behalf according to what I hear from them. Therefore, whatever I decide for anyone which by right belongs to his brother, he must not take anything, for I am granting him only a portion of Hell.'" {Source: https://sunnah.com/abudawud:3583} Additionally, the article claims: "These sources, distrusted by Quranist scholars, are also viewed with suspicion by Western researchers. Western scholars widely believe that there was widespread fabrication of hadith during the early centuries of Islam to support certain theological and legal positions." This shows a lack of understanding of hadith science. Hadith science was specifically designed to detect fabrication. It seems the author of this article overlooked the earlier statement: "Hadiths were classified by Islamic scholars according to their reliability." Furthermore, it’s not just based on the isnad (chain of narrators); they also analyzed the matn (content of the report). This important point is missing. "Although the 'dominant paradigm' of Western scholars is to find their reliability questionable, some have-with caution-regarded them as accurate historical sources. Scholars such as Wilferd Madelung, on the other hand, do not reject the hadiths compiled in later periods, but evaluate them in their historical context. In other words, according to him, they contained clues not from the life of Muhammad, but from the mentality of the period in which they were written." Scholars like Jonathan A.C. Brown, G.H.A. Juynboll, and David A. King generally affirm that collections like Bukhari are authentic, and they accept many hadiths as historically authentic. Now, regarding the following statement: "Sometime later in his life, Muhammad proposed marriage to his cousin and first love, Fakhitah bint Abi Talib. But likely owing to his poverty, his proposal was rejected by her father, Abu Talib, who chose a more illustrious suitor." Let me make this clear: The idea that Muhammad proposed to her before Islam is not backed by authentic hadiths. Additionally, the idea that he was rejected because of poverty is purely speculative, based on the personal opinion of the source and is not backed by any evidence. It’s strange (and ironic) how this article expresses that even sahih reports are inauthentic, yet uses inauthentic sources to support this claim. "Muhammad's demeanor during his moments of inspiration frequently led to allegations from his contemporaries that he was under the influence of a jinn, a soothsayer, or a magician, suggesting that his experiences during these events bore resemblance to those associated with such figures widely recognized in ancient Arabia." Allegations don’t prove something is false. There are always enemies and allegations made against everyone; Nikola Tesla was accused of madness and mystical behavior, Nelson Mandela was accused of corruption, etc. I am not asking for these allegations to be deleted as a possible conclusion, but a more neutral view would be to mention that the Quran responded to these allegations. "Due to the complexity of the experience, Muhammad was initially reluctant to tell others about his revelations; at first, he confided in only a few select family members and friends. According to Muslim tradition, Muhammad's wife Khadija was the first to believe he was a prophet. She was followed by Muhammad's ten-year-old cousin Ali ibn Abi Talib, close friend Abu Bakr, and adopted son Zayd. As word of Muhammad's revelations continued to spread throughout the rest of his family, they became increasingly divided on the matter, with the youth and women generally believing in him, while most of the men in the elder generations were staunchly opposed." This claim is problematic. It wasn’t due to the complexity of the situation; it was a command in the Quran to start by telling his close relatives. Additionally, it wasn’t that the "men in the elder generations" were all "staunchly opposed." Many, like Abu Talib (though he didn’t believe), protected him, and Hamza ibn Abd al-Muttalib (Muhammad’s uncle) did believe in him. On the other hand, figures like Abu Lahab were indeed opposed, but this is an oversimplification. The situation was more nuanced. This message is already getting too long, and I am tired, but I hope I was able to convey my point. (There are still many more examples of inaccuracies in the page. I alone am unable to record them all, this is just pointing out what I was able to collect, and I hope revision Neutrality, nuance, diverse opinions and encyclopedic information are introduced into the page.) (Note: When quoting Islamic sources [which I believe the article should do more often] please quote the more authentic sources over others.) [I may not be able to continue conversations about this for a while since I am busy in life] ~2026-91750-2 (talk) 18:15, 10 February 2026 (UTC)
- To effectively argue your points, you need to cite reliable sources, like the article does. Your own views about what is true, what is history, what is a simplification, what is problematic, don't mean anything here. You have to (a) cite reliable scholarly sources (not the Quran or Hadith) and (b) explain what you think is wrong with the sources cited in the article. If you are claiming that the article has engaged in WP:FALSEBALANCE, you need to prove that with an analysis of sources, not hand-waving arguments about Muslim tradition. ~Anachronist (who / me) (talk) 03:03, 17 February 2026 (UTC)
- By definition, traditional views are never accurate or reliable. Historical revisionism reflects "new discoveries of fact, evidence, and interpretation as they come to light. The process of historical revision is a common, necessary, and usually uncontroversial process which develops and refines the historical record to make it more complete and accurate." "Traditionalist" historians should be disregarded. Dimadick (talk) 13:43, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
- I am inclined to agree with OP and you. Historical revisionism has been and continues to be important; however, it is also subject to "current" ideologies.
- For example compare Abraham or Jesus wiki articles to Muhammad. There is definite selective citations, with other sources being described as discriminatory and dismissed. ~2026-14805-43 (talk) 14:05, 8 March 2026 (UTC)
- Agree with the OP all you want. So far it's all hand-waving with no scholarly sources. The article cannot be changed unless such sources are brought into the discussion. ~Anachronist (who / me) (talk) 16:08, 8 March 2026 (UTC)
- By definition, traditional views are never accurate or reliable. Historical revisionism reflects "new discoveries of fact, evidence, and interpretation as they come to light. The process of historical revision is a common, necessary, and usually uncontroversial process which develops and refines the historical record to make it more complete and accurate." "Traditionalist" historians should be disregarded. Dimadick (talk) 13:43, 18 February 2026 (UTC)







