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Daily Telegraph says "Northern Ireland" these days
[edit]Whereas during The Troubles (1969 to 1998) most of the UK media used the terms `Ulster' and "Northern Ireland" interchangeably, since the 1998 Good Friday Agreement the use of `Ulster' has been dropped seemingly entirely (unless part of a university name etc obviously). e.g. contrary to what the article currently says, the Daily Telegraph says "Northern Ireland" now - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/northern-ireland/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.16.72.221 (talk) 17:00, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
- That's just the category, if you search for Ulster it's clear they still use it a lot. Canterbury Tail talk 18:55, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
English language variant for article
[edit]Discussion is invited for the language variant to be used - it was listed as "British English", then "Hiberno English" and today back to "British English". I have to say that my understanding is that some form of Hiberno-English is used across the island, with that in the northern reaches having a higher share of British English, and a dash of Ulster Scots, but still being a form of Hiberno-, sometimes characterised as "Northern Hiberno-English". See How to speak Belfast / Northern Ireland and Ulster Language and Dialect Archive, National Museums NI, for example. Opinions? SeoR (talk) 22:48, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
- My understanding of MOS:RETAIN is that an article should use either the English variety it was made in (in this case, British English) or the national variety depending on the topic (which again would be British English). Dgp4004 (talk) 22:56, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks for engaging, and yes, the base position is to retain established practice ... subject to "consensus to the contrary" - and so I think it is time to check for consensus, especially as I suspect the re-revised position is not the best fit. As evidenced by one of the references above, which covers research by quasi-official and very much local sources going back to the 1960s, and the other reference, of contemporary times. As an aside, as an article concerning Ireland, it may already be using Hiberno-English - the differences are subtle. SeoR (talk) 23:23, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
- Further to the above, I see another page on my watchlist moved during Wednesday from the untidy and deprecated EngvarB to British English tagging - concerning a sea inlet which straddles the border - and I'd say the same considerations apply to such cases. SeoR (talk) 23:27, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks for engaging, and yes, the base position is to retain established practice ... subject to "consensus to the contrary" - and so I think it is time to check for consensus, especially as I suspect the re-revised position is not the best fit. As evidenced by one of the references above, which covers research by quasi-official and very much local sources going back to the 1960s, and the other reference, of contemporary times. As an aside, as an article concerning Ireland, it may already be using Hiberno-English - the differences are subtle. SeoR (talk) 23:23, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
Can anyone help at 'Not for EU'?
[edit]Not for EU could do with being broadened with some RSs from Northern Ireland, please? 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 15:46, 23 July 2025 (UTC)
"Nothern Irish" listed at Redirects for discussion
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The redirect Nothern Irish has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 July 26 § Nothern Irish until a consensus is reached. ArthananWarcraft (talk) 05:16, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
Ulster Banner
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Can anyone change the Ulster Banner in the middle of the article (symbols section) to the 1953 to 1972 version? ~2025-34726-80 (talk) 18:06, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- I assume you mean [[File:Flag_of_Northern_Ireland_(1953–1972).svg]], which features St. Edward's Crown instead of the Tudor Crown. Are there any sources that state which version of the flag is in use today, particularly for association football matches and the Commonwealth Games, which are mentioned in the image caption? Day Creature (talk) 18:23, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- Only McIlroy changed back to the Tudor one. ~2025-34726-80 (talk) 18:25, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- Do you have any sources to confirm this? Day Creature (talk) 18:26, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- I checked the Ulster Banner article. BTW, the Tudor version is not even in the country date template. ~2025-34726-80 (talk) 18:29, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- Do you have any sources to confirm this? Day Creature (talk) 18:26, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
- Only McIlroy changed back to the Tudor one. ~2025-34726-80 (talk) 18:25, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. NotJamestack (✉️|📝) 18:31, 21 November 2025 (UTC)- I looked into this a little further and found the version with St. Edward's Crown in use on the websites of FIFA and Commonwealth Sport, so I will go ahead and make the change. Day Creature (talk) 18:38, 21 November 2025 (UTC)