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| On 30 August 2025, it was proposed that this article be moved from It (character) to Pennywise. The result of the discussion was moved. |
Requested move 30 August 2025
[edit]- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: moved. WP:SNOW move. (closed by non-admin page mover) Jeffrey34555 (talk) 04:21, 6 September 2025 (UTC)
– I believe that Pennywise is the WP:COMMONNAME of the character. It also functions as WP:NATURAL disambiguation, which is preferable. It should be the primary topic of Pennywise regardless of whether the article gets moved anyway, the only other major topic is the band, which is named after the evil clown. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 20:37, 30 August 2025 (UTC)
- Support, character is so named and so known and is primary. Hyperbolick (talk) 07:26, 31 August 2025 (UTC)
- Support per NATURAL. Gommeh 📖/🎮 18:09, 31 August 2025 (UTC)
- Support per NATURAL and COMMONNAME. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 01:11, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
- Support: I know nothing re COMMONNAME but I'm supporting per WP:NATURAL.— Preceding unsigned comment added by JacobTheRox (talk • contribs)
- Support: commonname and commonsense.Halbared (talk) 19:59, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
- Support, per common name CANthony0125 (talk) 13:43, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
- Support Seems to me to the common name and it's much more of a natural place to have the article.★Trekker (talk) 16:53, 2 September 2025 (UTC)
- But guys, if we change the name of the article to Pennywise, this makes us ignore the nature of this entity because it is not a clown at all, and in fact it is an entity that took this form only to attract its victims. Also, it may not have a name at all. Also, Pennywise is just a mask for the monster. Also, if we accept this, we ignore the universal nature of this creature and only diminish it. Also, we ignore the original novel and its real form, the Deadlights, and the form of a pregnant female spider. Magician Abby (talk) 09:47, 5 September 2025 (UTC)
- Please read WP:COMMONNAME and WP:NATURAL. Gommeh 📖/🎮 13:04, 5 September 2025 (UTC)
- But guys, if we change the name of the article to Pennywise, this makes us ignore the nature of this entity because it is not a clown at all, and in fact it is an entity that took this form only to attract its victims. Also, it may not have a name at all. Also, Pennywise is just a mask for the monster. Also, if we accept this, we ignore the universal nature of this creature and only diminish it. Also, we ignore the original novel and its real form, the Deadlights, and the form of a pregnant female spider. Magician Abby (talk) 09:47, 5 September 2025 (UTC)
Did you know nomination
[edit]- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. You can locate your hook here. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Kingsif talk 22:13, 25 October 2025 (UTC)
- ... that a Stephen King character has been blamed for a 2016 rash of evil clown sightings?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Lysine malonylation
- Comment: Driveby nom. I only found about this yesterday while putting together a good article review circle, so beg for mercy regarding newness.
Launchballer 19:24, 28 September 2025 (UTC).
I think we are within a reasonable limit for a GA with such an interesting hook, Launchballer. I am satisfied that Pokelego999 provided a very thorough GA review. I would strongly advise dropping the pipe and naming Pennywise explicitly. The character is sufficiently well-known to attract attention with its name alone, and even for those who do not recognize it, I think the name is attention-grabbing. I see no copyright or neutrality issues. It's a shame that the article 2016 clown sightings is not nominated alongside it. If only someone interested in clowns would take it to GA... Surtsicna (talk) 09:12, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
- Now I think about it, this would be good for the Halloween set, and I think we'd be rushing to process the clown sightings article before then. ALT1: ... that the Stephen King character Pennywise has been blamed for a 2016 rash of evil clown sightings?--Launchballer 21:31, 11 October 2025 (UTC)
- I think this nomination was submitted 8 days after the page was made a GA, but I'll allow it for such a great hook. QPQ is done, page is long enough, and WP:EARWIG says violation unlikely and only catches a direct quote. Hook is verified in the page. Alt0 and Alt1 are both good. I think this will be a good hook for the Halloween set!
ArtemisiaGentileschiFan (talk) 13:16, 12 October 2025 (UTC)
@Gommeh, Launchballer, and ArtemisiaGentileschiFan: Reviewing for promotion to the Halloween prep area and I went through all the sources in the section on the 2016 clown sightings. I couldn't find any that said the character Pennywise was being blamed for the 2016 sightings. The only source that even mentions Pennywise and the 2016 sightings is this one, and it simply says that One theory has it that the upswing in "killer clown" antics is linked to the release of novelist Stephen King's new film, It.
It didn't say who's making that theory or that there's "blame" involved. There are some other sourcing problems; for example, for the hook fact (Several newspaper articles suggested that the character of Pennywise was an influence, which led to King commenting that people should react less hysterically to the sightings and not take his work seriously
), what's offered is a 2014 source that doesn't mention Stephen King's response at all and cannot obviously be used as a source for 2016 events. Thoughts? Dclemens1971 (talk) 22:55, 22 October 2025 (UTC)- Good catch, I suppose an alt hook will be needed. Perhaps, ALT2: ... that the Stephen King character Pennywise was inspired by the fairy tale "Three Billy Goats Gruff"? source: https://ew.com/books/stephen-king-ultimate-companion-book-most-interesting-facts/ ArtemisiaGentileschiFan (talk) 23:45, 22 October 2025 (UTC)
- I'd be OK with that too. Gommeh 📖 🎮 01:18, 23 October 2025 (UTC)
- ALT2 checks out, but I placed a dispute tag on the citation mentioned above where verification failed. This should be cleaned up prior to promotion. Dclemens1971 (talk) 02:01, 23 October 2025 (UTC)
- Not sure if it helps, but I just found [1], which says "Pennywise was believed to have inspired a clown hysteria in 2016 following a rash of scary clown sightings".--Launchballer 02:15, 23 October 2025 (UTC)
- I removed nine tenths of that section per WP:WEIGHT, including the tagged phrase. There's no way any of it met WP:GACR#3b, so I'm tempted to ping the GA reviewer to explain themselves. I can live with ALT2, although perhaps the fairy tale's name is extraneous, and would also suggest ALT0a: ... that a Stephen King character has been suggested as inspiring a 2016 rash of scary clown sightings?.--Launchballer 03:34, 23 October 2025 (UTC)
Approving Launchballer's ALT0a. There's one remaining slot in the Halloween-themed Prep 6 and I would recommend this hook in particular for its interest and relevance, but can't promote a hook I'm approving obviously. Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:07, 24 October 2025 (UTC)
- ALT2 checks out, but I placed a dispute tag on the citation mentioned above where verification failed. This should be cleaned up prior to promotion. Dclemens1971 (talk) 02:01, 23 October 2025 (UTC)
- I'd be OK with that too. Gommeh 📖 🎮 01:18, 23 October 2025 (UTC)
- Good catch, I suppose an alt hook will be needed. Perhaps, ALT2: ... that the Stephen King character Pennywise was inspired by the fairy tale "Three Billy Goats Gruff"? source: https://ew.com/books/stephen-king-ultimate-companion-book-most-interesting-facts/ ArtemisiaGentileschiFan (talk) 23:45, 22 October 2025 (UTC)
Outfit
[edit]How much detail should we go into when describing Pennywise's outfit? I see there have been a decent amount of edits regarding this and would like to come to a consensus. I'm rather neutral on this issue myself, but can see this becoming a topic of importance due to how central a clown's appearance is to their so-called "scare factor."
Tagging the people who were involved in these edits, @RootOfAllLight and @Sundayclose. Gommeh 📖 🎮 16:38, 19 October 2025 (UTC)
- I'm not necessarily opposed to a small expansion, but not in an image caption. Sundayclose (talk) 16:48, 19 October 2025 (UTC)
Cycle
[edit]For millions of years, It dwelt under Derry, and awaited the arrival of humans, which It somehow knew would occur. Once people settled over It's resting place, It adopted a cycle of hibernating for long periods and awoke approximately every 27 years. Its awakening was always marked by a great act of violence, and another great act of violence ends Its spree and sent It back into hibernation, note: these are only reported incidents:
1715 – 1716: It awoke
1740 – 1743: It awoke and started a 3-year reign of terror that culminated with the disappearance of over 340 settlers from Derry Township, much like the Roanoke Island mystery.
1769 – 1770: It awoke again.
1851: It awoke when a man named John Markson poisoned his family, and then committed suicide by eating a white-nightshade mushroom, causing an excruciating death.
1876 – 1879: It awoke and went back into hibernation after a group of lumberjacks were found murdered near the Kenduskeag.
1904: It awakes when a lumberjack named Claude Heroux murders a dozen men in a bar with just one axe. Heroux was promptly pursued by a mob of townsfolk and hanged. In 1985, when Mike asks a witness, if he saw anyone he didn't know that night or seemed out of place. He remembered seeing "a comical sort of fella". He also said he had seen him a few more times since.
1906: It returns to hibernation when the Kitchener Ironworks explode, killing 108 people, 88 of whom were children at an Easter Egg hunt. A nine year old kid named Robert Dohay's head found by a woman. His mouth was covered in chocolate and his hair in blood.
1929 – 1930: It awoke when a group of Derry citizens gunned down a group of gangsters known as the Bradley Gang. It returned to hibe.
1929 – 1930: It awoke when a group of Derry citizens gunned down a group of gangsters known as the Bradley Gang. It returned to hibernation when the Maine Legion of White Decency, a Northern counterpart to the Ku Klux Klan, burned down an African-American army nightclub which was called "The Black Spot".
In the intervening periods between each pair of events, a series of child murders occurred, which were never solved. The book's surface explanation as to why those murders were never reported on the national news was that location mattered to a news story—a series of murders, no matter how gruesome, do not get reported if they happen in a small town. However, it is implied that Its power over Derry prevents anyone from investigating the child murders too deeply.
- -; sources
- IT novel:
Part 1: The Shadow Before : Derry: The First Interlude.
Part 2:June of 1958 :Derry :the second Interlude. Chapter 10: The Reunion.
Part 3:Grownups:Derry :the third Interlude.
Part 4: July of 1958 :Derry the Fourth Interlude.
What do you think about this?. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Magician Abby (talk • contribs)
- Think about what? I mean, I see the information you have laid out, but what are you wanting to do with it? (Also, please sign your comments, so we know who is speaking in a discussion) Joyous! Noise! 14:19, 14 November 2025 (UTC)
- Abby, you can sign your comments by typing 4 tildes in a row, like this: ~~~~. The tilde key is usually located just to the left of the "1" if you're on a standard keyboard, or in the set of symbols if you're on mobile. Joyous! Noise! 14:20, 14 November 2025 (UTC)
- I don't know how to do this Magician Abby (talk) 19:38, 22 November 2025 (UTC)
Woh mention
[edit]Last month, I added a sentence about the Indian adaptation Woh, which was removed: In Woh, a 1998 Hindi-language television adaptation of It, Pennywise is portrayed by the actor Lilliput.[1]
References
- ^ Seibold, Witney (2023-07-10). "Who Played The Best Pennywise? Here's What /Film Readers Had To Say". SlashFilm. Retrieved 2025-10-24.
I think it's worth discussing whether or not it's due to mention Woh. On one hand, it's an obscure adaptation that doesn't receive much coverage alongside the other It adaptations. On the other hand, the page may not be considered comprehensive if it leaves out one of the character's appearances and actors. What do you all think? Is Woh worth a mention? ArtemisiaGentileschiFan (talk) 18:34, 24 November 2025 (UTC)
- It was removed as WP:UNDUE and I agree that it shouldn't be mentioned in the text of the article for English Wikipedia. Possibly there could be a link to Woh in "See also". Sundayclose (talk) 19:01, 24 November 2025 (UTC)
- Agreed, it is WP:UNDUE, that is why I removed it. Gommeh 📖 🎮 19:29, 24 November 2025 (UTC)
Syfy
[edit]Earlier today, @Magician Abby added the sentence "On March 31, 2022, Stephen King teased fans that both Pennywise and Randall Flagg are the same entity, though subsequently made it clear he was joking.[1]" (edited by me for grammar). This sentence was added to the Reception section.
Reception sections are generally meant to summarize how critics, reviewers, scholars and journalists have responded or reacted to Pennywise - things like critical interpretations, thematic analysis, and cultural impact, not what the creator casually said on social media as a joke. The Syfy article reports that Stephen King made a joke about a theory linking two of the villains he created. This is commentary by the creator (a primary source), not by a critic, reviewer, etc. The Syfy article offers little to no commentary by the writer, Josh Weiss, about the joke King made, so I'm questioning why it was included in the Reception section.
I still think it could potentially be used, but definitely not in the reception section, so I've moved the sentence up to the concept section. Gommeh 📖 🎮 15:41, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
References
- ^ Weiss, Josh (2022-04-01). "Stephen King stirs the pot on whether Pennywise and Randall Flagg are the same entity". SYFY. Retrieved 2025-11-28.
Ronald’s gone
[edit]The image of Ronald McDonald in the “Appearance in the novel” section within the Appearance section was removed, leaving only the images of Bozo and Clarabell. Why is that? ~2025-40301-90 (talk) 12:51, 13 December 2025 (UTC)
- If you're serious (which I doubt), the images are not Bozo and Clarabell. Read the article before making such nonsense comments. Sundayclose (talk) 16:08, 13 December 2025 (UTC)
- The Ronald McDonald image was removed because there were doubts over its usability due to copyright. The doubts were raised at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Pennywise/archive1. Feel free to contribute there. Gommeh 📖 🎮 16:41, 13 December 2025 (UTC)
Problematic reference
[edit]After reviewing a reference used in the 'infobox character', which attributes Tim Curry as the actor who played the character in the miniseries, I realised that the reference is not useful because it does not present the information attributed to it. Even after reading pages 162 and 163 in their entirety, there is no mention of this information. Most likely, this is mentioned somewhere in the book, but the reference is useless as it stands. In any case, I think it is a very 'elaborate' source for such well-known and well-documented information, and since this book citation is only used for this, I think it should be replaced with a regular web citation. One possibility is that an editor of the article accidentally mixed up the references, as the link provided refers to John Wayne Gacy, who is mentioned elsewhere in the article. Please review and correct this, as I am not sure how to do it myself. Thank you. P.S. I do not wish to detract from the work done, as I think the article is very well done, it just has this one small detail. Franar8 (talk) 23:26, 21 December 2025 (UTC)
- I have changed the reference. --Franar8 (talk) 02:53, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks! I must have missed it. Gommeh 📖 🎮 03:30, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
Miniseries, telly and films
[edit]Would 'television and films' be more appropriate? Or film and television? Halbared (talk) 19:15, 22 December 2025 (UTC)
