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https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/chairman-prince-group-indicted-operating-cambodian-forced-labor-scam-compounds-engaged

https://th.usembassy.gov/prince-group-indicted-cambodian-scam-compounds/

https://www.fbi.gov/news/press-releases/chairman-of-prince-group-indicted-for-operating-cambodian-forced-labor-scam-compounds-engaged-in-cryptocurrency-fraud-schemes

https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/sb0278

https://www.justice.gov/usao-edny/media/1416286

https://www.justice.gov/usao-edny/media/1416286/dl

https://www.justice.gov/usao-edny/media/1416266

https://www.justice.gov/usao-edny/media/1416266/dl

https://direct.usagm.gov/record/630722

Piñanana (talk) 17:59, 26 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

https://mothership.sg/2025/10/singapore-scam-sanctioned/
https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/international/asean/us-sanctions-three-singaporeans-global-fraud-takedown-tied-cambodian-scam-empire
https://www.straitstimes.com/business/us-sanctions-three-singaporeans-in-global-fraud-takedown-tied-to-cambodian-scam-empire
Piñanana (talk) 22:16, 26 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Chen Zhi, according to media reports, holds British citizenship
https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/southeast-asia/article/3329212/who-cambodias-chen-zhi-untouchable-tycoon-linked-scam-hubs
https://www.nationthailand.com/blogs/news/asean/40057147
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2025/10/16/asia-pacific/crime-legal/cambodia-prince-us-uk-sanctions/
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/asia/prince-holding-group-chen-zhi-us-crypto-scam-what-we-know-5405601
https://e.vnexpress.net/news/business/companies/5-things-to-know-about-chen-zhi-cambodian-billionaire-accused-of-running-cybercrime-empire-in-southeast-asia-4954331.html
Piñanana (talk) 22:37, 26 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. You can locate your hook here. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected, closed by TarnishedPath (talk) 04:17, 1 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Source: "Mr Chen, who remains at large, is accused of being the mastermind behind a "sprawling cyber-fraud empire" operating under his multi-national company, the Prince Group, said the US Department of Justice (DOJ)."[1]

"An airline that has become the first Cambodian company to attempt to list itself on a U.S. stock exchange has substantial ties to a notorious business conglomerate dogged by allegations of criminality"[2]

"Chen, through the Hong Kong-registered Asia Corporation, acquired a 50 percent stake in Habanos, the worldwide distributor of Cuban cigars, and subsequently leveraged this control to inflate market prices."[3]
Converted from a redirect by Asamboi (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 13 past nominations.

Asamboi (talk) 18:40, 26 October 2025 (UTC).[reply]

References

Policy compliance:

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Yes
  • Interesting: Yes
  • Other problems: No - ?
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Expanded from redirect and nominated within window. QPQ done; only one required. Copyvio Detector clear after I removed some unnecessary quotations from CNN. Three issues: (1) The hook is interesting, but it's not precisely accurate. The DOJ press release describes a sprawling cyber-fraud empire operating under the Prince Group umbrella, which is not necessarily the same as saying the company is the cyber-fraud empire. It could mean that the company provides cover for the scams through its legitimate investments and subsidiaries. That doesn't mean the company isn't a participant in the alleged crimes, just pointing out that the hook doesn't precisely match the source. (2) By attributing the charges to the company and not Chen, we don't automatically implicate a WP:BLPCRIME issue, and AFAIK there is no similar policy about criminal allegations related to companies. But given that Chen was indicted alongside the company, we're verging into BLPCRIME territory with a hook that uses the description of the prosecution in an ongoing case to describe the subject. (3) The "history" section includes a lot of padding on Chen's bio that's unrelated to the Prince Group. If that were to be removed per WP:DUE, we're very close to the DYK character minimum. I also think there's a presentability issue with the quasi-bullet point format of the history section, and I'd like to see that recast in encyclopedic prose. Dclemens1971 (talk) 13:22, 30 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Dclemens1971: Thanks for the review. Point by point:
(1) I see what you're saying. How about this: ...The Prince Group owns an airline, controls Cuban cigar distribution, and according to the US Department of Justice, operates "a sprawling cyber-fraud empire"?
(2) I'm not seeing that this is a problem. The Prince Group as a company is explicitly indicted, and the hook does not mention Chen at all.
(3) Since this is a current news topic, the article is being heavily edited (by other users, not just me). Chen Zhi (businessman) was recently spun off into its own article, and I plan on moving all the biographical bits about Chen into that article.
Also, could you expand on the "Long enough" flag? Per DYKCheck, the article is at 2888 chars, comfortably above 1500 (even after the Chen content above is hived off). Asamboi (talk) 19:50, 30 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Asamboi: (1-2) My concern is that we should not be putting unproven criminal charges on the homepage, even for a company and not a person. How is this for a more factual approach that doesn't involve repeating the prosecutorial perspective: ALT2: ... that the Prince Group owns an airline, controls Cuban cigar distribution—and was sanctioned by British and U.S. authorities as an alleged transnational criminal organization? (Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/10/26/cyber-scamming-prince-group-syndicate-singapore/, https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c70jz8e00g1o). This leaves out the question of guilt or innocence and focuses on facts (sanctions were imposed). (3) My character count once the extraneous info is removed is 1619, which could fall under 1500 easily with a copy edit by another editor. I would focus on fleshing the article out a bit and providing more buffer, as well as prosifying the list-like nature of the "History" section. (I should add that the word count alone won't hold up approval of the nomination, but if another editor trims the page further, a prep builder or queuer might need to bump it back to the unapproved list.) Dclemens1971 (talk) 20:29, 30 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Dclemens1971: I have removed the extraneous content about Chen and the article is still sitting at 2534 chars. I'm happy to sub in your hook.
@Asamboi: I didn't receive the ping because the post wasn't signed. Since I proposed an alternative, it needs another reviewer. Requesting that now. Dclemens1971 (talk) 14:20, 12 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Asamboi: The only interesting thing in ALT2 was "Cuban cigar distribution"; I've just removed the only thing with anything to do with cigars from the article as "a consortium led by Chen" has nothing to do with Prince Group. Also, it's a crying shame this wasn't nominated as a double with Chen, as that would have given a lot more flexibility (hooks beginning "that the owner of Prince Group"/"that a firm owned by Chen Zhi", for example), and I'd be seriously tempted to allow it to be added to this IAR. What do you think @Dclemens1971:?--Launchballer 16:14, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The Chen Zhi article did not exist at the time of this DYK nomination, and was seeded with content from this article. I think it would be entirely within the spirit of the rules of DYK to double up or even switch this nomination to it. Asamboi (talk) 21:01, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I just discovered that Dclemens1971 recently went on wikibreak, and WP:DYKSPLIT says "Articles split from new articles or articles with active nominations remain eligible". I'm going to say that yes this can be added as a double nom; what I need from you is a second QPQ and a double hook.--Launchballer 13:01, 2 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Launchballer: Instead of a double hook, just replacing Prince Group with Chen Zhi would be the easiest approach. How's this?
ALT3: ...that Chen Zhi founded an airline, heads a consortium that controls Cuban cigar distribution, and according to the US Department of Justice, operates "a sprawling cyber-fraud empire"? Asamboi (talk) 06:45, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Chen Zhi isn't eligible on its own. I'm IARing it, but it would need to be a double. Also, the "founded an airline" and "sprawling cyber-fraud empire" would qualify for trimming, and "Cuba's largest cigar producer Habanos S.A." isn't quite the same as "controls Cuban cigar distribution". The hook would be ALT3a: ... that the founder of Prince Group headed a consortium in 2021 that bought half of Cuba's largest cigar producer?. Do you plan on supplying a second QPQ?--Launchballer 13:51, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Why would it not be eligible on its own? The WP:DYKSPLIT guideline you yourself quoted above states that Articles split from new articles or articles with active nominations remain eligible, no IAR necessary.
Also, with all due respect, your proposed hook is quite dull. What makes Chen such an interesting character is that he dabbles in real estate, airlines, cigars and forced labor scam camps, and the hook should reflect this. Asamboi (talk) 11:18, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I guess. The QPQ's already been spent on Prince Group, so you'd need a new one for Chen Zhi anyway.--Launchballer 12:03, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No, this is still the same nomination, the content has just been split off into a different article. Asamboi (talk) 20:59, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's one QPQ per article, not per nomination.--Launchballer 00:11, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Asamboi: Please provide an extra QPQ, as the nomination will not be allowed to run as a multi-hook unless one is provided. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:41, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Narutolovehinata5: I'm proposing we run the single hook ALT3 above, not the multi-hook ALT3a. Asamboi (talk) 01:01, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
And I'm saying the QPQ already used on Prince Group cannot be used for Chen Zhi.--Launchballer 01:03, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No, that's not how it works. While QPQs are per article, they are only officially "spent" once a nomination has concluded (QPQs can be used on only one nomination, not "one article"). So if a nomination is initially about one article, but switches to another article mid-nomination, then no new QPQ is necessary since the previous QPQ is not considered "spent". Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:06, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It also says "an article-for-article quid pro quo (QPQ) is required for each nominated article". Chen Zhi is a split and is clearly a second article, even if the first was withdrawn.--Launchballer 01:32, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think this is basically splitting hairs; the spirit of the rule was that "a separate QPQ is needed for each article, but it does not matter what QPQ is used as long as it is not a spent QPQ". I really don't see the need to provide a new QPQ if in the end it's still one article that's being nominated, we just changed which one was being nominated. Technically, I see your point, but the thing here is that the other article has been withdrawn from consideration entirely. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:44, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, that's fine. I think I'll let someone else review the article, though.--Launchballer 02:00, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Full review needed of Chen Zhi (businessman), which is being nominated instead of the original article, Prince Group. See the ALT3 hook above. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:01, 19 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    • absolutely no way ALT3 is happening for very obvious DYKBLP and BLPCRIME reasons. And I agree with Launchballer – someone already went through all of the legwork of reviewing the original article nominated here, and now an entirely new article has to be reviewed. If Chen Zhi were renominated in a separate subpage, that would be eligible, but they would have to provide an extra QPQ. I don't see how it's any different here. I haven't done a full review of Chen Zhi, one will still be needed. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 19:50, 26 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
We have a surplus of nominations so regrettably marking this for closure per DYKTIMEOUT. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:21, 28 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

References

merge Draft:Chen_Zhi_(businessman) to Prince_Group#History

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Draft:Chen Zhi (businessman)

Piñanana (talk) 18:49, 26 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]