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Russians are not Slavs.

Greetings ! I am not russian but russian speaking person. Contrasting their language with other Slavic languages I found that some words look different and and even Ukrainian share same lexicon with Czech. 2.133.211.65 (talk) 07:55, 6 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting hypothesis, but you are definitely wrong. There are no any doubts between linguists that Russian language is Indo-European language, that belongs to the Slavic language family. The 'lexicon' is not criteria to make such conclusions, especially taking in account the fact that many words in Ukrainian and Czech language have Germanic origin not Slavic (e.g. 'Thank you' - German 'Danke' - Ukrainian 'djákovati'). Also, some words in Russian have Greek origin. So you cannot assume the language family by just comparing the words. In that case you could take Ukrainian 'djákovati' (Germanic origin) and compare with Russian 'spasibo' (Slavic origin) and make a conclusion that Ukrainian is not Slavic language. It is silly, but it makes as much sense as your comment.Interesting hypothesis, but you are definitely wrong. There is no any doubts for between lindquist that Russian language is Indo-European language, that belongs to the Slavic language family. The 'lexicon' is not criteria to make such conclusions, especially taking in account the fact that many words in Ukrainian and Czech language have germanic origin, neither slavic (e.g. 'Thank you' - German 'Danke' - Ukrainian 'djákovati'). Also some words in Russian have greek origin. So you cannot assume the language family by just comparing the words. In that case you could take Ukrainian 'djákovati' (germanic origin) and compare with Russian 'spasibo' (slavic origin) and make a conclusion that Ukrainian is not slavic language. It is silly, but it makes as much sense as your comment. 91.123.65.221 (talk) 23:15, 6 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Essentially a WP:FORUM thread that should have been reverted. - LouisAragon (talk) 17:56, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As a person from Ukraine I'd question if Russians are really Slavic. This can be completely wrong so please no hate. But I clearly remember from History lessons that Russia is originally named Moscowia and came from Golden Horde. It got renamed as Russia only in October 22, 1721.

"The tsars of Moscow and, later, Russia understood that without an imposing past it was impossible to create a great nation and empire. Therefore it was necessary to glorify their historical roots and even to hijack the history of other nations. So, starting with Ivan the Terrible (1533-1584) the tsars of Moscow applied all their efforts to appropriate the history of Kyivan Rus, its glorious past, and to create an official mythology for the Russian Empire." 185.94.219.13 (talk) 17:24, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to clarify that, regarding Kievan Rus, at least in the parts currently within the Russian Federation (including what are often referred to as Muscovy and other principalities, as well as the medieval republics of Novgorod and Pskov), these areas were never physically occupied by the Mongols. There were no Mongol garrisons, as demonstrated by historical accounts, archaeological evidence, and genetic studies. Instead, the princes were required to pay tribute by traveling to Sarai and acknowledging Mongol suzerainty. The Mongols established their state to the south of the Volga, approximately a thousand to two thousand kilometers away from Slavic settlements, in territories inhabited by nomadic tribes. This territory included present-day Kazakhstan, the southern Pontic steppes, and the southern Volga region in today’s Kalmykia, extending at one point as far as the Carpathians.

Furthermore, a study of autosomal markers indicates that northern Russians (from the region of present-day Saint Petersburg up to Veliky Ustyug) share genetic connections with other European populations, raising questions about the significance of the Finno-Ugric migratory layer within the genetic makeup of northern Russians. These findings support the notion that a paleo-European substratum from prehistoric times has been preserved in these territories, even amidst the significant migrations of Slavic tribes.

According to studies on Y-chromosome markers, the central-southern group, which encompasses the majority of Russian populations, is genetically aligned with Belarusians, Ukrainians, and Poles. In terms of mitochondrial markers and autosomal markers, Russians show similarities with other populations in Central and Eastern Europe. A notable genetic unity in autosomal markers has been found among East Slavic populations, along with distinct genetic differences from neighboring Finno-Ugric, Turkic, and North Caucasian peoples.

This has been confirmed by genogeographic expeditions conducted by the Scientific Center for Medical Genetics at the Russian Academy of Medical Sciences, which collected and analyzed more than 10,000 DNA samples from individuals of Russian nationality between 2000 and 2008. All samples indicated a genetic profile that is fully European. Research by Malyarchuk et al. on mitochondrial DNA and Y chromosomes in Russian populations supports this conclusion.

This finding aligns with scientific research on Russian anthropology and genetics, including recent studies on Russian patrilineal heritage and mitochondrial DNA and Y-chromosome differentiation. Studies led by various researchers have shown that ethnic Russians are genetically European, with negligible contributions from Turkic or Caucasian groups. The frequencies of East Eurasian genetic markers in Russians correspond with average markers found across the rest of Europe.

All existing biological and genetic studies have made previous hypotheses regarding the mixing between Russians and non-European ethnic groups obsolete. Among northern Russians, the contribution of Baltic genetic markers is now recognized to be more significant than that of Finno-Ugric markers, which are now understood to be lower than previously thought. 125AB (talk) 13:09, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@125AB: Wikipedia is based on reliable sources (see WP:RS) and on consensus (see WP:CONSENSUS). That means that you have to stop reverting to your preferred version if you see that other editors disagree. There are no reliable sources supporting pseudo-scientific terms like Europoid. Rsk6400 (talk) 18:43, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I say this without meaning to offend, but you've studied history very poorly. The Slavs, like the Germans, Celts, Iranians, and others, aren't about ethnicity or ethnogenesis, but about linguistics. To settle the question of the Russian language, read up on the Swadesh List. Then compare Ukrainian and Russian using it. And regarding Russian genetics, read the late Balanovsky (specifically his later articles, which can be found online). And then, I hope, you'll finally rid yourself of ignorance and nationalism. NikoNiko75 (talk) 17:37, 30 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you that Russian is also Slavic language. But have to correct you, Ukrainian word "Ddjákovati" may also be Slavic, from word "Dyak", "Djak". Origin of "Ddjákovati" isn't fully confirmed to be German, philologists are still discussing it and didn't come to conclusion. Because old German was initially Thanke, while Ukraine Djakuju was always with D. It also can have common Indo-European root, like word "cat" "katze" "kit" in many European languages. 2A00:1F:7684:9E01:FC81:9C9D:A704:25D (talk) 14:32, 30 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ultimate original research fail 2603:6011:9600:52C0:645E:6895:7583:F219 (talk) 01:52, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting hypothesis, but Wikipedia isn't the place for spreading original research and fringe theories. Summer ^talk 14:11, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Of course, Russians originate from Bangladesh. That's nothing new. Its amazing to me that nobody just removes nonsense stuff like this. Swoonfed ^(Ping) 19:06, 30 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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In the lead paragraph, please edit:

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The majority of Russians adhere to Orthodox Christianity, ever since the formation of the Russian identity in the Middle Ages.

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The majority of Russians adhere to Orthodox Christianity, ever since the Middle Ages.

The statement that Russian identity formed in the Middle Ages is POV, fringe, or non-mainstream at best, and doesn’t belong in the lead (see for e.g. The Origins of the Slavic Nations). Russian identity didn’t suddenly materialize after a dunk in the Dnipro. National identities as we generally understand them did not develop until long after the Middle Ages.142.160.96.197 (talk) 21:53, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Rsk6400 (talk) 08:02, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to know about the number of Russians who live in Brazil

To the Wikipedia team,

Dear administrators and collaborators of Wikipedia,

I respectfully request an update on the information regarding the number of Russians living in Brazil, as noted in the section corresponding to the Russian population in foreign countries. Although the illustrative map presents Brazil with a darker color, indicating a significant population of Russians, the specific data on this community are not properly recorded in the text.

The inclusion of this data is extremely relevant for readers seeking reliable and complete information about Russian diasporas around the world. I suggest that updated sources be consulted, such as official data from Brazilian government institutions (such as IBGE or the Ministry of Justice and Public Security) and international organizations that monitor migration flows, in order to bring greater accuracy to the content.

If necessary, I am available to collaborate in the search for relevant sources that can corroborate this information.

I appreciate the attention and congratulate the team for their dedication in maintaining the platform as one of the main sources of accessible knowledge in the world. Vani Gobo (talk) 19:45, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Israel host to diaspora ?

Shouldn't Israel be included as a primary country among the host diaspora nations for Russian people? 32.221.111.7 (talk) 17:23, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

'Genetics' section inconsistent

A passage in the 'genetics' section reads: Consequently, the already existing biologo-genetic studies have made all hypotheses about the mixing of the Russians with non-Slavic ethnic groups or their "non-Slavism" obsolete or pseudoscientific. At the same time, the long-standing identification of the Northern Russian and Southern Russian ethnographic groups by ethnologists was confirmed.

This seems to directly invert the sense of the previous two paragraphs, which suggest that Northern and Southern Russian groups should be distinguished, not identified. 92.22.132.126 (talk) 21:54, 4 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Moscovites/Moscowits

Important to add, that when tsardom of Moscow was established the name "Russian" wasn't used towards them modern Russians. In international field they were named "Moscowits" and modern Ukrainians and Belarusians had names Rusyns and White Rusyns (Ruthenian and White Ruthenians and sometimes Russians and White Russians) alongside with their native language Ruthenian. 2A00:1F:7684:9E01:FC81:9C9D:A704:25D (talk) 14:27, 30 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Read Margeret, Horsey, and Herberstein to avoid writing nonsense. The term "Moscovia" appeared in the early 16th century in the chancery of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania. This was due to political reasons (A.L. Khoroshkevich wrote well about this at the time). Even on European maps of the 16th and 17th centuries, in addition to the toponym "Moscovia," the term "Russia" was often used (Jenkinson, Mercator, and others). NikoNiko75 (talk) 17:19, 30 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

To avoid looking completely ignorant, Google the words "endonym" and "exonym." Then you'll understand what the term "Muscovites" means. I also have a question. Why are people with no history education, yet ignorant and ideologically biased, allowed to comment here? These texts should be commented on and written by professionals. NikoNiko75 (talk) 17:26, 30 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]