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Concealed links
[edit]It's bad style to conceal the names of articles in links to events, so I suggest that instead of the form "[[article name|phrase describing event in alternative timeline]]" we stick to "phrase describing event in alternative timeline ([[article name]])". As well as clearly showing what we're referring to before the link is clicked, this style translates well into hard copy. Wiki is a technology we're using to construct an encyclopedia, it isn't necessarily the only form in which the encyclopedia will be used. --Anticipation of a New Lover's Arrival, The 13:45, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
- Partly agree, however, the form of "(as referenced in [link])" is also rather clunky. — Edokter • Talk • 13:51, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
- The parenthetical link, "([[article name]])" , is sufficient. With an appropriate preamble (the current version reads "The narrative turns to the alternative history created by Donna's choice, far bleaker than the established course of events") the meaning of the links in parentheses will be clear to the reader. --Anticipation of a New Lover's Arrival, The 13:57, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
- I think it's fine as is. All the episodes are listed in the continuity section. Either as it is or no links at all, I say. U-Mos (talk) 15:36, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
- I've added "in previous episodes" to Anticipation's phrasing, if only to help make it clear what the parenthetical bits are (and to keep the plot out of universe ) --MASEM 15:41, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
- I think it's fine as is. All the episodes are listed in the continuity section. Either as it is or no links at all, I say. U-Mos (talk) 15:36, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
- The parenthetical link, "([[article name]])" , is sufficient. With an appropriate preamble (the current version reads "The narrative turns to the alternative history created by Donna's choice, far bleaker than the established course of events") the meaning of the links in parentheses will be clear to the reader. --Anticipation of a New Lover's Arrival, The 13:57, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
- Monry Python Wonderful Gravity Grannies Babies Hownottobeseen — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A0A:A542:2B85:0:A599:AE33:8C:35A8 (talk) 17:51, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
Oh my LORD
[edit]Well, this morning I got an edit war warning for changing it to three-parter and then having it reverted and then... I did some background reading, and this debate has been had before, as far as I can see, and there is no rliable source for either, although several tertiary sources contradict one another. I'm not sure whether it counts for anything, but that week's TV Times (21st - 27th) said that it is a three-parter, as does my episode guide. therea re arguments for it being stand-alone, but the episode's ending doesn't fit in on its own, and the continuty bit was BEFORE teh controversial "Next Time" trailer. RTD had said it can be either, and I personally think that the evidence points towards three-parts. Can we get a resoloution on this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mistoop (talk • contribs) 12:34, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
- I'm glad you finaly did some background digging. Simply forcing your opinion by edit warring was not a smart move. Now you have pointed out there are arguments for both, but we ultimately have to go with reliable sources. Since neither stance can come up with a definitive source, we should treat it as a stand-alone episode by default. Also, the fact that only the end ties into the next episode, and the rest has no continuity with the next episods at all, we cannot substantiate that it is a three-parter.
-- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}}12:58, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
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Requested move 20 September 2021
[edit]- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: Moved Turn Left (Doctor Who) → Turn Left and Turn Left → Turn Left (disambiguation). The episode, however niche, is determined to be the primary topic since all other uses are much more obscure. No such user (talk) 07:16, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
– The newspaper changed its name, leaving this as the only subject called "Turn Left". Unreal7 (talk) 11:37, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
OpposeA topic does not become less notable or disappear even if it is no longer referred to in the present tense. No evidence presented to show that the television episode is a primary topic. 162 etc. (talk) 14:32, 20 September 2021 (UTC) Update Withdrawn vote, per pageviews numbers cited below. 162 etc. (talk) 19:01, 21 September 2021 (UTC)- Oppose We generally try to avoid having contemporary media be the dominate name in disambiguation areas. --Masem (t) 14:39, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
- ? Unreal7 (talk) 14:54, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
- I'm not leaving a support or oppose [yet], but if the contemporary media is the primary topic then why should it not hold the "
dominate name
"? TheDoctorWho (talk) 13:41, 22 September 2021 (UTC)- Because by its very nature of being contemporary, it likely will wane in time compared to other topics. Eg: at the height of when Avatar the film was all over the place, we did not move the film over primary topic of avatar the philosophical context despite the imbalance of page views. Its generally why we don't use page views to judge what is the primary topic. --Masem (t) 14:37, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
- User:Masem, User:TheDoctorWho, that's just not at all correct. Usage is one of the two major ways to determine WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, and traffic statistics is the number one way to determine usage. And we have thousands of articles about contemporary media where the title is the primarytopic. If it has more usage, and more significance than competing topics, it's primary. WP does not have a bias against popular culture. Dohn joe (talk) 16:30, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
- Because by its very nature of being contemporary, it likely will wane in time compared to other topics. Eg: at the height of when Avatar the film was all over the place, we did not move the film over primary topic of avatar the philosophical context despite the imbalance of page views. Its generally why we don't use page views to judge what is the primary topic. --Masem (t) 14:37, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
- I'm not leaving a support or oppose [yet], but if the contemporary media is the primary topic then why should it not hold the "
- ? Unreal7 (talk) 14:54, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
- Support. Not because the newspaper changed its name, but because the episode article gets 99.89% of pageviews. I don't think I've ever seen such a high percentage. People view the episode article almost 1,000 times more than the newspaper article. Dohn joe (talk) 21:03, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose. Clearly needs disambiguation. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:20, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
- "Clearly" how? Dohn joe (talk) 16:34, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
- Clearly because nobody is going to look at the phrase "Turn Left" and think, oh right, the Doctor Who episode! Sometimes we need to apply WP:COMMONSENSE. -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:53, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
- That's clearly not the case - I might not think about it and you might not, but over 99 percent of our readers who visit a "Turn Left" topic are thinking of the episode apparently. Fortunately, we don't decide primarytopics based on what you think of first, but what makes the encyclopedia easier for our readers and editors to use. Dohn joe (talk) 21:09, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
- Clearly because nobody is going to look at the phrase "Turn Left" and think, oh right, the Doctor Who episode! Sometimes we need to apply WP:COMMONSENSE. -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:53, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
- "Clearly" how? Dohn joe (talk) 16:34, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose it's a Doctor Who episode. Being clearly labelled is causing no Daleks to suffer. In ictu oculi (talk) 17:29, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
- That's not a reason. You've got quite the knack of putting words in people's mouths. Unreal7 (talk) 17:47, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
- Do you actually believe primary topics can exist on Wikipedia? You always favor disambiguation, even when it is not necessary. -- Calidum 20:13, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
- Support. It's the only article called Turn Left. Assertions that it needs disambiguation, despite there being no articles to disambiguate it from, do not make sense. Lennart97 (talk) 10:39, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
- Support. We have no other article titled Turn Left. The student newspaper at Cornell used the title Turn Left for a handful of years before changing its name, more than a decade ago. -- Calidum 20:13, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
- Support per nom and others here. The "oppose" !votes seem not to be based on article titling policy to me. — Amakuru (talk) 10:09, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

