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Typo?

This sentence, under the 'Popular terminologies' section makes no sense.

"Many Unification Church members consider the word "Moonie" derogatory, but as other groups have reappropriated term." Tosatur (talk) 09:20, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

English teacher here: yes, should be "have reappropriated the term" - as other groups have. Notably the n-word is freely used by people of color (at least in NYC where I hear it frequently) as an in-group term - they just don't like other people using the word towards them. --Uncle Ed (talk) 11:21, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Heaven and democracy

There's an oft-cited misquotation about "automatic theocracy" in the section on political viewpoints.

• Note that the phrase "automatic theocracy" is seen within the church as a translation error. Mrs. Won Pok Choi, while translating the extemporaneous speech, compressed several minutes of Rev. Moon's exposition about the process by which the world would become transformed into the kingdom of heaven into this two-word phrase. Critics used to use this quote to "prove" their claim that Rev. Moon was dictatorial and anti-democratic, but Andrew Wilson had the recorded speech re-translated and exposed the discrepancy. Here is the word-for-word re-translation:

  What? Separate religion from politics? Why separate religion from politics? Why separate politics from religion? Can you separate God from politics? God is active in the realization of all human affairs. Therefore, when the democracies produce a succession of many uncorrupted politicians, it will become heaven on earth. Don't you agree that this is the way it should be?

Uncle Ed (talk) 21:31, 31 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That seems to be saying that a democracy will naturally become an autocracy under uncorrupted politicians, no? Heaven is an absolute autocracy after all, not a democracy. Remember that beyond this specific quote the consensus is that Rev. Moon was dictatorial and anti-democratic, he certainly didn't tolerate any democratic dissent within the Church and I don't remember his position within the Unification Church being an elected one. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 00:31, 1 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Horse Eye's Back I think the correlation between God and politics inferred in the quote alluded here, is a political system built on a moral framework where divine authority/insight influences political decisions, but where humans remain free to decide their own destiny. That was my understanding from a precariously superficial speed-reading of the Divine Principle. Saussure4661 (talk) 20:10, 20 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Holy days

True God's Day (하나님의 날, established January 1, 1968) – always January 1 until 2009, then according to the lunar calendar – January 23, 2012

What does that even mean? From the perspective of a lunuar calendar that seems obvious nonsense since lunar and solar calendars usually don't match in consecutive years, and does the weird wording mean that 2012-01-23 was the last day this holiday was celebrated or what else? ~2025-43070-45 (talk) 07:06, 27 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]