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Hello. Applodion, since you are an expert in revising and rewriting quotations from secondary sources, can you help us? Because the article undoubtedly achieves notability, but there is a bit scarcity of information. It needs to increase information and secondary sources. Here is just a few. [1] is behind a paywall however. The Palestinian National Council convened in February-March 1971 considers that there exists a historical national bond between Palestine and Jordan from time immemorial. (Palquest), [2]. Sakiv (talk) 14:17, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Sakiv: Looks like the discussion is already over and the article got merged. Sorry that I didn't see your message in time. Applodion (talk) 13:01, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello! Please explain why you rejected the insertion of a rare photo of General Konstantin Nechaev from my own collection without explanation? Please look into it and revert the changes.My collection of photographs of Nechaev’s Russian detachment is the largest in the world, about a thousand photographs, but you do not allow them to be published. Why? MBlinoff (talk) 08:07, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@MBlinoff: For a very simple reason: I researched Nechaev several years ago, and one source outright said that almost all photos/films of him were taken by a Soviet film crew. Their footage was later released and is thus copyrighted, but the exact realease date is no longer known - thus, it is nearly impossible to find footage of him whose copyright is definitively expired. So, odds are that you got access to a collection which is still copyright-protected. Or can you prove that your photos were never released? Or that they taken by a non-Russian crew? Or anything at all about the photos' origin? Applodion (talk) 22:13, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, the situation is as follows. Photographs of the Nechaev Detachment were taken by several photographers. Many died before 1929, many later. The Soviets were enemies of the ranks of the detachment. When the NKVD captured China, about 150-200 photographs were received of Nechaev’s detachment. Now they are in the Russian archive of GARF. Part was published by Russian authors. Copyrights conditionally belong to GARF (conditionally, because according to international laws, rights belong to photographers). The NKVD received these photographs without permission. I collected a collection in the 90s in the USA. The veterans of Nechaev’s detachment gave me their photographs (which they took themselves or which their friends took for them). Now this collection of mine numbers about 1000 photographs. In the 00s, I gave my friends a small number of photographs for the publication of books (author Alexander Okorokov). Then these photographs from the book began to circulate on the Internet illegally without the permission of me and Okorokov. I only posted the photo of Nechaev that I tried to upload on the page of my website. But I don't mind free use on Wikipedia. I see that you are also interested in the civil war in China, so let's be friends and think about how to use what correctly. If you need rare photographs, I am also ready to provide them to you (both published on the Internet and not published). This is the situation, now decide what to do.
PS. I posted this photograph of Nechaev only here, on the page of my website with my article. MBlinoff (talk) 09:55, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@MBlinoff: Ok, but by your explanation, the copyright to these photos still belongs to the original photographers, not you. They gave you the permission to use / publish them, but not to release them into creative commons. Legally, it is entirely possible that some of your photos are still officially owned by the photographers' families. Furthermore, the fact that GARF published some content makes this even more complicated - because the rules for expired copyright of non-published photos (i.e. PD-US-record-expired) states that the image is not allowed to have ever been published before 2003. In essence: GARF stole the photos, but by releasing them tiggered the copyright rules which apply to the original photographers, i.e. "copyright expires no later than 70 years after the death of the author".
To put it in a simple way: The only photos which you could upload to Wikimedia are those which a) were never published/released anywhere before 2003, including not by GARF or b) photos which were actually published somewhere before 1929 (If you know the photographers of some images and their death dates, it would also help immensely). Any other photos would have to be deleted as copyright violations.
Please understand that your photos are of immense value and would be absolutely amazing additions to Wikipedia and Wikimedia, but we have to make sure that the copyright rules (as stupid as many of these rules are) are respected. Applodion (talk) 13:20, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that's about it, but... There are different laws for photographs. For example, many photographs from the collection of the Imperial War Museum, the copyright belongs to the owners of the collections, and not to those who made them. Transferring (purchasing, donating) old photographs or postcards also means transferring copyright to use this artifact. You need to focus on the leading museums (archives) of the world. An archive that has a photograph also has copyright on it as an artifact of the collection. As for the photographs of Nechaev’s detachment, at the moment 1) it is unknown who took the photographs 2) When photographers transferred photographs to friends, this was considered the right to own them and use them for their intended purpose. 3) Most of the photographers were beaten in the war of 1925-1929 or in Stalin’s camps. 1945-1953. Some of the photographs I received from surviving participants were taken by them themselves. Unfortunately, it is now impossible to determine who the author of the photographs is (the majority), but the copyright for reproduction belongs to the owners of the photographs. This is international practice. Leading Museums and Archives and collectors of the world use this very practice. Now decide for yourself what you can and cannot do. I follow exactly the practice of world museums/archives. MBlinoff (talk) 14:17, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
nd one more problem or not a problem. The families will never be able to prove their copyright, since 1) the negatives have not survived. I specifically looked for negatives in all the few families (less 10), but I couldn’t find them. 2) Even if they have negatives, they cannot prove that their father took the photographs, since he could have received the negatives from other people. Witnesses who can confirm who took the photographs have not been alive since the late 90s. The youngest member of Nechaev’s squad died in 2002, the rest earlier. But still the different laws apply to artifacts (photo cards and postcards). The owner of the photographs (for example, a Museum or Archive) has the copyright to the production of this original. MBlinoff (talk) 14:35, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@MBlinoff: Actually, I don't think that it is as easy as that. For instance, archives and museums are not allowed to just publish any photo, they usually ask for permission by the owners or take them from state-sponsored groups. The Imperial War Museum largely publishes photos taken by employees of the British Empire, and in cases where they didn't -i.e. captured photos of the Central Powers and Axis during the World Wars- they just didn't care about copyright. Mind you, some museums and archives actually use stolen photos which has led to deletions on Wikimedia when this was discovered. Either way, the members of Nechaev's group were not in service of a organization with legal rights, so all their photos were individually owned, meaning that the copyright would be transferred to family members or through purchase, yet as you say, the exact origin and ownership of the photos remains largely unclear.
However, if you are sure that photos in your collection were never published before 2003, the copyright expired anyway. This would make any previous ownership irrelevant. In those case, we can safely use the "PD-US-record-expired" copyright tag on Wikimedia, and the photos would be safe from deletion. Applodion (talk) 17:42, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And so what we have. The authorship of this photograph by Nechaev is unknown. The likelihood that he survived and has heirs is extremely unlikely. In this rare case, the heirs cannot confirm the authorship of their father. I didn’t publish this photo until 2003. A year ago I scanned it and posted it on the page of my website. I gave about 15 photographs to my friend Okorokov for his book (after 2003). What are we doing? If we upload again, what should I write about the authorship of this photo in the description? For example, “author unknown, not published until 2003, collection of M. Blinov.” Right? MBlinoff (talk) 18:03, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And I’m waiting for a letter to my email (on a different topic) MBlinoff (talk) 18:06, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@MBlinoff: Regarding "author unknown, not published until 2003, collection of M. Blinov" - In essence, yes. There would be two copyright & attribution parts for all of your photos: In "Source", it would be "MBlinoff's collection of historic photographs"; in "Author" it would be "Unknown soldier of Nechaev's unit (original photo) < br > MBlinoff (scan)", and in "Licensing" it would be "cc-by-sa-4.0" (for your scan) and "PD-US-record-expired" (for the original photo).
This should hopefully sort out all of your copyright issues and prevent any more of your photographs from being doubted/deleted. Also, thank you for your patience, I know this proccess is annoying, but believe me - everyone who starts to add historic photograhs on Wikimedia encounters these issues (I did too). Applodion (talk) 18:17, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strange situation. For example, in an article about Nechaev you give a photograph of General Kappel (1919). It is also unknown who took this photo. But this photograph was given for publication to the magazine "Pioneer" (USA, 1970s). In this case, the heirs of the magazine are alive and can claim their copyright. But you post this photo. It was the tradition of the Russian emigration not to discuss the issue of copyright. The veteran gave a photograph for publication in the magazine without any agreement with the editor. By the way, I also found the original of this photograph of Kappel. In 2006, I gave the photo for publication in books with a warning to indicate that it was from my collection. This was not done. Now this photo is circulating all over the Internet. MBlinoff (talk) 18:24, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@MBlinoff: I didn't upload the photo; the original uploader put a copyright notice at the image that "This work is in the public domain in the United States because it was published (or registered with the U.S. Copyright Office) before January 1, 1929." I believed this notice. If you are certain that the photo was first published in the 1970s, it would have to be deleted from Wikimedia. In fact, we should start a deletion request. Applodion (talk) 18:29, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think the best reason is the copyright infringement charge. This particular photo is from a magazine from the 70s in the USA (Pervopokhodnik, LA, Cal). But in the 20s, I think, this photo was published in Harbin newspapers of very poor quality and without an agreement. But we can post the original of this photo, larger in size and better quality. For Wikipedia readers this is much more important. MBlinoff (talk) 18:37, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Great! I will do exactly this, exactly, so that everything is correct. Wikipedia has a rule that you can have a “mentor” who corrects the correctness of text and photographs. If this doesn’t bother you, I would like you to be such a “mentor” for me (especially since I have a lot of documents and media files on your works). But I have many rare photographs of the 90s and 00s that I took personally. MBlinoff (talk) 18:30, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@MBlinoff: Of course, feel free to ask me anything. Btw, I have adjusted the file per my recommendations. If you disagree with anything, please say so. If the changes are ok and correct, we can adjust your other historic photos accordingly. However, if any of the photos were made by people who were still alive after 1940s, please note that we cannot use them. Applodion (talk) 18:38, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, that's what we'll do. In the 90s, I specially compiled lists of who from Nechaev’s detachment survived after the 40s. Very little. In 2002, I recorded on video (professionally) the story of a soldier from Nechaev’s detachment, who was 102 years old. I also tried to find out who took the photos. This is impossible. Each regiment had a photographic apparatus, the photographer took pictures for all friends. While the last few people from Nechaev’s detachment were alive, I could not identify the photographer. They all answered that they did not remember who took the photographs, but they died in China. At the end of their service in the unit, they all sold their cameras because they needed money. MBlinoff (talk) 18:49, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@MBlinoff: That's actually enough proof. If the survivors basically confirmed that the photographers had died in China, regardless of who exactly took which photo, then this means that we have confirmed death date(s) 1920s-1940s. In turn, this satisfies the copyright demands. Applodion (talk) 18:57, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In Nechaev's Detachment there was a rule that the owner (and not the author) of a photograph had full right to use the photograph from his collection. Publish yourself, provide photos to various newspapers and magazines (as in the case of General Kappel). But in a legal matter, the heirs of the photographers (even if they are alive) do not have any evidence that the photographs were taken by their father or grandfather. None. Now you know the whole situation. If you consider it necessary to post something from my stories, I will not object. Perhaps this information can be useful. Together we can add to the article about Nechaev about surviving documents and photo archives. MBlinoff (talk) 19:09, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I reverted, but keep an eye here please [3], thanks! EkoGraf (talk) 18:14, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@EkoGraf: I have put the article on my watchlist, thanks for pointing this out. Applodion (talk) 20:36, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No problem, and thank you too. I looked through that editor's other edits and it seems he made a bunch of other changes regarding the casualty figures, leaving a large number of discrepancies that were contradictory to the sources cited. I think I corrected them all now. EkoGraf (talk) 21:41, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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On the Ahrar al-Sham page were i put Ahrar al-Sham Brigades thats the translation from Arabic as from 2011 to early 2013 Ahrar al-Sham went by Kata'ib Ahrar al-Sham wich translates to Free men of the Levant Brigades. Your imput of Ahrar al-Sham Battalions in Arabic is katiba/katibat Ahrar al-Sham wich is wrong if you translate the logo and flag it says Brigades by the way XD Living (talk) 19:14, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@XD Living: Sorry, I reverted the edit due to the logo and a redlink being included in the infobox, not due to the name correction. I have adjusted the article accordingly. However, Wikipedia generally tries to keep the use of logos/flags in infoboxes to a minimum. Applodion (talk) 19:47, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Okay thanks XD Living (talk) 23:25, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I want to change the name from "Aḥrār aš-Šām Brigades" to Ahrar Al-Sham Brigades. IDK why it's names Aḥrār aš-Šām Brigades and could you check it out for me? XD Living (talk) 09:12, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@XD Living: I will take a look when I find the time, ok? Applodion (talk) 16:46, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Shifta War

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Hello! I've realized you are an avid military historian, and to that regard I've decided to approach you to ascertain the references I've added to this page. I noticed the background for the page was a bit scanty, and etymology of some terms like 'Shifta' was off, as it's predominantly an Ethiopian term not a Swahili one. I've added excerpts as well of discussions in the 1963 British parliament about the issue. They are lengthy and tedious additions, but hopefully they'll be appreciated.

Much thanks Gambikimathi (talk) 11:22, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Gambikimathi: Updates / changes to articles are welcome, but please refrain from mass additions of unsourced content, adding new content into the middle of sentences without moving references, and adding giant quotes. Furthermore, the intro of an article on a historical event is not supposed to cover linguistic / naming discussions. Overall, your changes appeared very confusing. Can you perhaps use the article's discussion page to outline what exactly you want to change and from where you got the respective information? Then we can properly adjust the article in accordance with your recommendations. Thank you. Applodion (talk) 15:17, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hello again! Sure, I can get the whole block quotes argument, but the only reason I did that was to show these additions are purely from primary sources, not my own train of thought. It's therefore a bit of a shame that all that contribution is being simply dismissed as 'unsourced quotes and comments'. I do, however, understand that it's difficult to go through someone else's wholesale changes and choose what's relevant and what's not. 
If it helps, I had added 3 new reference sources to the page. The 1963 UK Hansard, and two new articles from the Journal of African history volume 2.
I can reduce the verbosity of some of my changes, but I'll need other editors to see it as an act of goodwill, since it's obviously a contentious topic. Hence why I chose to reach out to you (given earlier reversions you did) as an assurance of my impartiality. Nobody likes pointless edit wars, right? 
Lastly, just as a minor answer to your query, etymology indeed is not normally part of introduction, but this page actually states that Shifta is an original Kiswahili word. In truth it's an Amharic term that has been extensively used in the horn region and permeated to other languages. It's a small thing but I wanted to clear that out. And yes, it has a reference attached. 
The other topics I've added, I'll appreciate your advice and ask in the page discussion chat. 
Thanks.  41.90.172.231 (talk) 17:50, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Gambikimathi: If they are primary sources, they cannot be extensively used anyway per WP:Primary. You also made numerous changes to the articles which did lack sources; as the article had sourcing issues anyway, we should not make itr even worse by adding more unsourced stuff. If you summarize the content of a reliable source (no primary sources, please), and then add the content to the article, I would have no issue with it. Regarding etymology, it would make the most sense to just add a new section called "Naming" or "Etymology" where this topic can be properly discussed. Applodion (talk) 18:58, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, well noted. I have also opened a new discussion topic in the article chat. It touches on one of the myriad of issues I found with the article, maybe you could check it out.
Any updates I'll do later in the future taking in your considerations Crystalline004 (talk) 19:27, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Wilayah Logos

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Hello, I wanted to help you understand that the logos of the Wilayah's of the Islamic State is basic Arabic calligraphy which is the same as the flag of Al-Qaeda and the Taliban and is public domain text logos. If they weren't, then the flags of those organizations would be considered copyrighted. RowanJ LP (talk) 09:23, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@RowanJ LP: There were already several cases where Arabic calligraphy was considered copyright-protected and Jihadist flags /logos got deleted. Furthermore, your replacement logos lack sources. Applodion (talk) 09:45, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wilayah Logos aren't one of them, and second, do I need to link specific ISIS videos where I got the logos or something? RowanJ LP (talk) 09:47, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@RowanJ LP: Frankly, I fear that the Wilayah logos could also be problematic. I refrained from tagging them as copyright violations on Wikimedia because I'm not sure and did not want to cause unneccessary debates; yet I suspect that if I did submit them to copyright testing, they would be deleted. As for the sources: It would be best if you got a secondary source such as jihadology.net. Applodion (talk) 09:51, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There's reasons for both sides of it being copyrighted and not copyrighted, but I still stand by them being public domain, and for jihadology I'm unable to create an account so I can't use it RowanJ LP (talk) 09:54, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@RowanJ LP: If you want to risk it, we can submit them to copyright testing on Wikimedia - a move which could potentially get all the logos deleted. If they are confirmed to be full public domain, however, I would naturally retract my opposition to their use. Applodion (talk) 10:09, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Do you think it would be a good idea? I wouldn't oppose to the copyright testing though I'm afraid all the hard work I put into SVG logo making would go to waste lol RowanJ LP (talk) 10:11, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@RowanJ LP: Well, that's my point. Personally, I fear that the logos' calligraphy is complex enough for copyright, but I'm no expert. Considering that these are the logos you made, I feel you should have the right to decide whether to risk it. Anyway, you don't have to immediately decide this; feel free to think about it. Applodion (talk) 10:20, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Another thing that I feel should be mentioned is that the calligraphies complexity varies, comparing Islamic State – Pakistan Province and Islamic State – Najd Province logos show that they're not all complex looking RowanJ LP (talk) 10:31, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@RowanJ LP: Well, this is absolutely true... Al-Barakah's logo seems fairly complex by comparison. Perhaps this would have to be decided on a case-by-case basis. Applodion (talk) 13:11, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Then I believe a case-by-case review should be the best option RowanJ LP (talk) 13:17, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

National Progressive Front parties

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"It also includes the dissolution of the Assad era-ruling Baath Party and the National Progressive Front, along with all affiliated organizations, institutions and committees, with a ban on their reformation under any name."

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/ahmad-al-sharaa-officially-named-syrias-transitional-president/3466149

Edit: I'm also not sure what your issue with my edit on Ba'ath Party (Syrian-dominated faction)] is. The Syrian section of the Syrian-dominated Ba'ath was dissolved by the government on 29 Jan, not 11 Dec, which is only the date the Syrian section "halted its activities" indefinitely. There's also no need to specify that the Syrian-dominated Ba'ath continues to be active in other states if it's already been specified that only its Syrian section was dissolved. Sisuvia (talk) 06:02, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Sisuvia: The problem with the AA article is the fact that its wording makes no sense. "National Progressive Front, along with all affiliated organizations, institutions and committees, with a ban on their reformation under any name" would mean a ban of the entire Syrian government, all ministries and even the presidency itself because these would also be "affiliated organizations, institutions and committees". Obviously this was not meant, so how do we know that this ban covers all parties once associated with the National Progressive Front? The article mentions none of the parties by name. As for your Baath Party edit: You removed "(still active in other states)" which is a proven fact, and also the self-dissolution is more useful to note rather than a mere ban. Applodion (talk) 11:12, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Applodion Wrt to the Ba'ath Party edit, if it is only mentioned that the Syrian section is dissolved/banned then there is no need to state that the Syrian-dominated Ba'ath as a whole is still active in other regions, that's a given. Sisuvia (talk) 12:28, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Sisuvia: Conversely, not to include the dissolution of the Syrian faction in the infobox may mislead readers into thinking that the party is still fully active. Indeed, the Syrian Baath Party now enjoys a similar fate to the Iraqi Baath Party: Banned and dissolved in its main country, only a small remnant still operates through a network of mostly insignificant local branches. Applodion (talk) 12:39, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Applodion I do not argue that the dissolution of the Syrian section should not be included in the infobox. Indeed I am arguing that if we are to include it, and I did in my edit to the page, that there is then no need to state the Syrian-dominated Ba'ath as a whole is still active in other Arab states. Sisuvia (talk) 15:11, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Sisuvia: This would be factually incorrect, as the party is still active outside Syria. Applodion (talk) 15:24, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Applodion where have I claimed otherwise?
The Syrian section of the Syrian-dominated Ba'ath has been banned, therefore the Syrian-dominated Ba'ath has been banned in Syria. If we specify this, then there is no need to also state that the Syrian-dominated Ba'ath remains active in other Arab states. That would just be repeating the same point, but worded differently.
Edit: Unless you're saying the Syrian section is still active outside of Syria? In which case a source would be appreciated. Sisuvia (talk) 15:30, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Sisuvia: Look, the Syrian-dominated Ba'ath still exists, but it no longer exists in Syria. Naturally, this results in confusion for readers. In reality, we should remove the "dissolved/banned" parameter completely from "Ba'ath Party (Syrian-dominated faction)" because it still operates. However, whenever someone removed it, people would re-add it due to confusion with the completely defunct Arab Socialist Ba'ath Party – Syria Region. That's why both are mentioned in the infobox. Applodion (talk) 15:54, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Applodion I also heavily disagree with your interpretation of the article's contents. One does not say, for example, that the US government is "affiliated" with the Republican Party just because Trump is in power, or that the British government is "affiliated" with the Labour Party just because it holds the majority in HoC. Sisuvia (talk) 12:30, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Sisuvia: This is a false equivalent, as the United States see regular changes of the ruling party - in contrast, the government of Syria and the Baath system were basically the same for 50 years. Furthermore, note that the AA article mentions that the old military and the security agencies were banned/dissolved, so government insitutions were clearly seen as being "affiliated organizations, institutions and committees". So how does this make sense: The military gets banned, but the Ministry of Defense stays around? By this logic, why shouldn't the National Progressive Front get banned while minor member parties continue operating? Applodion (talk) 12:39, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Applodion I fail to see the relevance of the military and security agencies being dissolved to what we are discussing. The report I cited did not claim that this was due to their affiliation with the NPF or Ba'ath. Indeed, they mention the dissolution of the military/security services and the dissolution of the Ba'ath/NPF & its affiliated orgs separately, and I don't think you'll find any other report stating otherwise. There is no equivalence to be made here, and as a result one cannot claim that the Syrian transitional government views its own institutions to be affiliates of the NPF, which then necessarily reduces the "affiliated organizations, institutions and committees" of the NPF to its member parties, trade unions, and other non-governmental organisations that may have took part in is activities.
If that kind of logic does not suffice, we may to refer to Arabic sources. France24 Arabic explicitly writes
أحزاب الجبهة الوطنية التقدمية
The parties of the National Progressive Front...
https://www.france24.com/ar/%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B4%D8%B1%D9%82-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A3%D9%88%D8%B3%D8%B7/20250129-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A5%D8%AF%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%A9-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B3%D9%88%D8%B1%D9%8A%D8%A9-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AC%D8%AF%D9%8A%D8%AF%D8%A9-%D8%AA%D8%B9%D9%84%D9%86-%D9%88%D9%82%D9%81-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B9%D9%85%D9%84-%D8%A8%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AF%D8%B3%D8%AA%D9%88%D8%B1-%D9%88%D8%AA%D8%B9%D9%8A%D9%8A%D9%86-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B4%D8%B1%D8%B9-%D8%B1%D8%A6%D9%8A%D8%B3%D8%A7-%D9%84%D9%84%D8%A8%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%AF-%D9%81%D9%8A-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%AD%D9%84%D8%A9-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%86%D8%AA%D9%82%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%8A%D8%A9
However, you may correct me if my understanding of Arabic here is wrong. I do not claim to be fluent. Sisuvia (talk) 15:09, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Sisuvia: Well, this is much better evidence. Though I would prefer the parties to be properly listed, the new source at least give some actual evidence for the parties in question being banned. With this source, I would not oppose the proposed change. Applodion (talk) 15:24, 31 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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In the Eastern Syria insurgency I placed sources and you grouped them, not bad, I grouped them and you ungrouped them Or I do something and you delete it, what do you want? I'm just an 11-year-old boy, I can't understand things, but I edit and you delete it, what do you have against me? Farcazo (talk) 21:42, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Farcazo: I don't have anything against you, but your change was unneccessary. Raw links in references are generally discouraged, and the references were fine as they were. Your change did not improve the article, thus I reverted it. Applodion (talk) 23:08, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I understand you, I think I went overboard with the "what do you have against me" thing and I did get angry because it was my hundredth edition, but now that I see it, it's more of a whim of mine. Farcazo (talk) 23:11, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Farcazo: No harm done either way. These kinds of disputes just happen. Applodion (talk) 23:13, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Peace Farcazo (talk) 23:15, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Lei Xu article

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Hello Applodion. I am wondering why you decided to revert my changes to the Lei Xu article. It seems unfounded that you would remove references to the primary source text especially as that is the grounds for creating many 3K articles (e.g. Xu Yi (Han dynasty)). Again, no primary source states Lei Xu's death, only defeat by Xiahou Yuan. You also seem to have extrapolated some notion that Lei Xu was driven out of Lujiang to Jing Province under Liu Bei, then again defeated by Xiahou Yuan. This is not even stated by any of the secondary sources by de Crespigny. And as a secondary source, de Crespigny occasionally makes mistakes, of which I have seen a few in his ''A Biographical Dictionary of Later Han to the Three Kingdoms (23-220 AD)''. Lastly, when in the article you have written "(then called Lei Pu)" this is a pure extrapolation by you. Figures during the Han Dynasty and 3K era often have their names miswritten in certain passages, and this is not evidence that he was previously named Lei Pu. That would only be the case if the source text stated that he had renamed himself. XHolonX (talk) 21:17, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@XHolonX: a) Per Wikipedia:No original research, the use of primary sources is generally discouraged and should be avoided.
b) Wikipedia follows reliable sources, not personal interpretations. If you want to dispute de Crespigny's assessments, provide a secondary source which refutes his claims. Your private views on what the primary sources say or don't say, has no bearing on Wikipedia articles (again, per Wikipedia:No original research).
c) Lei Xu = Lei Pu / Lei Bo is based on de Crespigny's statements, I did not invent this interpretation. Applodion (talk) 21:32, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I understand your first two points and I will not bother to go further on them currently. As for your third point, de Crespigny only states that they are likely to be the same individual. He does not make any claims that Lei Pu later changed his name to Lei Xu. This is an interpretation from you. This also does not justify a unilateral reversion, the note on which sources describe his name to be Lei Xu and Lei Bo is still wholly relevant and should not be removed. XHolonX (talk) 21:59, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have now read the sources from RdC, and I will again stand by my point and request that the changes that were reverted be put back on. The only mention of his death is from A Biographical Dictionary of the Later Han and the Three Kingdoms (2007) where he states that after the Battle of Red Cliffs in 208, Lei Xu joined Liu Bei, and then in 209 he was killed in an attack by Xiahou Yuan. He further states in Xiahou Yuan's entry that he destroyed Lei Xu in Lujiang. In Imperial Warlord (2010) he states Lei Xu was only destroyed. In Generals of the South (2018 internet ed. 1st published 1990), he states that although he was driven from Lujiang, he joined Liu Bei and settled his people in Jing Province. In To Establish Peace (2018 internet ed. 1st published 1996) he puts down that Lei Xu joined Liu Bei. Generals of the South clearly gives a timeline of him being driven from Lujiang and joining Liu Bei who was in Jing Province. How does it make sense that he was driven from Lujiang by Xiahou Yuan, went to southern Jing Province to join Liu Bei, then went back to Lujiang and was killed? Only his entry in de Crespigny (2007) has this side of the story, while all others have no such notion. XHolonX (talk) 00:04, 11 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I would also add William Crowell's interpretation "Lei Xu and others amassed a large following and were the scourge of the region between the Yangtze and the Huai Rivers. After being pacified by Liu Fu, who had been appointed provincial inspector of Yang province, Lu rebelled against Cao Cao in Jian'an 14 (209-210) and was crushed by Xiahou Yuan. (Sgz 9.270, 15.463.) It was likely at this point he went over to Liu Bei." backs XHolonX. DongZhuo3kingdoms (talk) 09:37, 11 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"He does not make any claims that Lei Pu later changed his name to Lei Xu" - neither did the article at any point; I reworded the text a bit to make this even clearer
"the note on which sources describe his name to be Lei Xu and Lei Bo is still wholly relevant and should not be removed" - this not is original research, meaning it must be removed per Wikipedia's rules
Regarding Lei Xu's death: @XHolonX - you have not provided any source which outright denies the death claim, and "destroying" an individual appears to be a synonym for killing @DongZhuo3kingdoms: No, not really. Crowell's statement does in no way refute de Crespigny.
Either way, we could just adjust the article to "According to de Crespigny, Lei Xun was killed [...]", thereby preserving the cited infos yet attributing it to a specific source. Applodion (talk) 18:31, 11 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The Manchukuo Government was merged

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Looks like you removed the content of Manchukuo Government from Manchurian nationalism. That was merged into there by Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Manchukuo Government. Most of the discussion was about the exact same thing you were concerned about. The sources.

Yet, due to the lack of sources (and the participants saying it seems to be a joke), they decided to merge it into Manchurian nationalism.

Considering that it was already marked as lacking sources and therefore got the consensus to be merged into Manchurian nationalism, I question if it is logical to delete the entire thing for the exact same reason. I'm on the fence about it. Should we bring this to the page's talk page, or can this just be settled here? Kxeon (talk) 01:05, 11 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Kxeon: IMO, we can open a discussion on the article's talk page. I would argue that this 'exile government', joke or not, does not belong in the nationalism page either way. Applodion (talk) 18:23, 11 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Vy Vato Sakelika had been dissolved in 1915 and no longer active in 1947. I school here in Madagascar Noone teach involvement of VVS in the uprising. It's MDRM who participated in the uprising. Gasybeaugosse2020 (talk) 03:19, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Gasybeaugosse2020: Thanks for noticing this mistake; next time, please properly explain your reasoning in the edit summary, so you won't get reverted. The article mentioned VVS not just in the infobox, but also the main text; after checking the alleged source, I discovered that the reference actually mentioned the Panama secret society instead of VVS. I have corrected these mistakes in the article. Applodion (talk) 11:19, 26 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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I’ve updated the article to reflect that Captain Gurbachan Singh Salaria studied at Rashtriya Military School Chail, not Bangalore. This is supported by multiple credible sources: 1. Georgians.in – https://www.georgians.in/magazine/captain-gurbachan-singh-salaria 2. Honourpoint – https://honourpoint.in/profile/captain-gurbachan-singh-salaria-pvc 3. Official Pathankot District Website – https://pathankot.nic.in/important-personality All three sources clearly state that he started his training at RMS Bangalore and later moved to RMS Jalandhar, which is now known as RMS Chail. Please let’s keep the information accurate and avoid changing it back without valid sources.

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On 23 May 2025, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Battle of Shangi, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the Battle of Shangi ended when the Congo Free State commander personally shot the leader of the opposing Rwandan army? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Battle of Shangi. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Battle of Shangi), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Provision for Collaborationist Chinese Armies prior to Wang Jingwei Regime?

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I have noticed you had removed large number of my edition to the Collaborationist Chinese Army. But be aware Wang Jingwei regime was only estabilished after 30th of March 1940. So what could you write about those following: -North China Security forces (華北治安軍) -Collaborationist Army of Nanjing Regime prior to the 30th of March 1940 The 2nd Sino Japanese War (Full Scale conflict) started 7th of July 1937. Tomw8911 (talk) 06:47, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Your changes were unsourced (the name "North China Security forces" is not used by any reliable sources), added unneccessary infoboxes, and generally did not improve the article. Applodion (talk) 10:24, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Liwa Fatemiyoun

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Hey dude, you may recognize me from the person who keeps doing flagcruft and reverting your edits and corrections on Liwa Fatemiyoun and the Balkhab uprising. Anyway, that aside, I wanted to tell you that on the Liwa Fatemiyoun wikipage the source for Russia being an ally seems to be bugging out a bit. Could you check it out? KashanAbbas (talk) 11:59, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@KashanAbbas: Sup, of course, I will take a look. I thought that I had already fixed this issue. Anyway, I hope that I did not come across too harsh - your additions are generally good. Applodion (talk) 18:04, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm still bit a of a juvenile when it comes to editing, I'm still learning. Started this a few year ago to do a correction. I don't really plan to do this for the rest of my life though. Respect to you though man. Appreciate you a lot for the work you do. Contact me if I do something wrong as well. Love from Pakistan. KashanAbbas (talk) 04:42, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Dude, do you remember this: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Liwa_Fatemiyoun&diff=prev&oldid=755717153 — Preceding unsigned comment added by KashanAbbas (talk • contribs) 15:59, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@KashanAbbas: That was before I myself was castigated by other editors for flagcruft, causing me to change my editing behavior. That being said, flags are not universally problematic in infoboxes; generally speaking, flags of sub-units such as the Quds Force are generally deemed less acceptable than national or militia flags. Applodion (talk) 16:46, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That was a long time ago. I was only 7. How long have you been editing? KashanAbbas (talk) 18:04, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@KashanAbbas: Since 7 June 2015, so over ten years by now. It does not feel that long ago, lol. Well, it's always great when new people become active here; there are certainly more than enough old-timers like me, haha. Applodion (talk) 18:12, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Respect to you man, or sir. That requires a lot of commitment and patience and you very much have that. KashanAbbas (talk) 05:10, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Why is "supported by" being gradually removed?

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Hey dude, I have a question. On your latest edit on the Qatif conflict you typed "+"supported by" is gradually being removed from infoboxes due to a website-wide decision". Why is that? Could you please explain it to me? KashanAbbas (talk) 17:43, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@KashanAbbas: Hi! There was a lengthy discussion here, where many of the most experienced editors on military topics on Wikipedia concluded that "supported by" was often used in a vague, unclear and misleading way in infoboxes (for example, air support, weapons dealings and diplomatic support were often grouped together despite their differences). Accordingly, it was decided to deprecate "supported by" in 2023, resulting in its gradual removal from most military infoboxes. However, as this is a complex proccess, it is still ongoing as of now. Furthermore, as with most topics, exceptions have also appeared. Applodion (talk) 18:32, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! KashanAbbas (talk) 18:46, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Counter-revert triggered after you unequivocally reverted my edit on the Afrin Region, Syria

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Could you explain your revert on why I corrected the Syrian timezone and on the existence of this? I've reverted your revert because it seems like your revert was unjustified. Make sure to review changes on the article, not revert based on the summary. Thanks! Freedoxm (talk · contribs) 14:40, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Next time, don't use misleading edit summaries which do not explain much of your edit (which was partially wrong anyways). Then no one has to revert anything. Applodion (talk) 18:00, 8 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
don't use misleading edit summaries which do not explain much of your edit (which was partially wrong anyways). Then no one has to revert anything. That is out-of-topic. It was not wrong, because it was taken over by the SIG on November 2024, it literally mentions its caption on the infobox. Consider checking this file, which clearly does not show where the Afrin region is. In fact, a bunch of people do not use edit summaries, so why are you judging a book by edit summaries, when I see that you've never reverted unexplained edits? Freedoxm (talk · contribs) 02:16, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Freedoxm: At this point, I have probably reverted hundreds of unexplained edits; no idea how you even conclude anything else. Either way, your edit is wrong because the infobox is talking about Afrin Region when it existed - ergo, when it was part of the DANEES. To make the entire thing easier, I have replaced the old infobox with another infobox type which clarifies that Afrin Region is a historical entity which ceased to exist in 2024. Applodion (talk) 15:59, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Help

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Hey, Applodion! It’s me, Kashan Abbas. My account got banned and I need help. It was something to do puppetry. I’ll explain more if you reply. Context: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/KashanAbbas. 39.48.128.115 (talk) 13:19, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

For context, I was accused of Sockpuppeting while editing the Liwa Zainabeyoun page. That is false. I have no affiliation with that account. You can see on what remains of my original account’s user talk page that PhilonKnight wrote that he’s from a different region in the same country and I don’t use VPNs for Wikipedia. I thought you could help because my account is now indefinitely banned and I’m struggling to get it back. I’ve never had this happen to me so I came to you, someone I think I can trust. 39.48.128.115 (talk) 17:40, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
As far as I can see, you are already doing what you can in this situation, namely appealing the block and requesting a proper Wikipedia:CheckUser test. Applodion (talk) 19:14, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Good to know. However, I need some help. Some of my sourced changes on the 1988 Gilgit Massacre have been removed by someone. If you can, then I request that you take over responsibility for that article until I get my account unblocked. It’s was full of sources which contradicted each other so I did sourced changes so that it made sense. There were false claims like the locals specifically revolted against Zia and that the army and Osama Bin Laden was involved in putting it down. If you have the ability, then I request you do this, otherwise I don’t want to bother you with something you don’t want to do. I would understand. 39.48.128.115 (talk) 18:11, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Feel free to remove all of this from your talk page from this point onwards. 39.48.128.115 (talk) 18:12, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Until the review of your case is done, I would not restore the content - if I acted on your request, this would be a breach of policy. Furthermore, I would only re-add the content once I had consulted the sources myself. Applodion (talk) 20:15, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It’s ok. I understand. It would go against Wikipedia policy. Good day to you! 39.48.128.115 (talk) 13:14, 16 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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I've been unblocked!

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I've been unblocked man! I still do have a warning on me, but still, I'm unblocked! I appreciate your help. KashanAbbas (talk) 12:41, 18 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Just Asking, Don't Mind

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Recently, you reverted my edit on the article Second Congo War because "Support" is being removed in Wikipedia as per a policy discussion. I have no problem with that. I'm just asking you that were the supporting nations I mentioned in the topic of both sides well sourced and true, or were they poorly sourced and false. I want your suggestions so that I can cite better sources in future topics. I'm still a relatively a new user, and my account is only 1 year old. BuddyHeigh (talk) 14:32, 29 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@BuddyHeigh: Your sources were generally ok, as far as I can see. You might just try to put them into proper references. For newspapers, you can find a good layout at Template:Cite news. This just makes the references more accessible for readers and other editors. Applodion (talk) 15:42, 29 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Did those nations really support both sides? BuddyHeigh (talk) 16:00, 29 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@BuddyHeigh: That's not really unusual. There have been plenty of cases in history for states to supply/aid two sides in a conflict, sometimes out of opportunism, sometimes involuntarily, sometimes due to shifting policies. The Congo saw some of the weirdest alliances and wars-within-wars. For instances, there was the Six-Day War (2000) between 'allied' states in the middle of the Second Congo War. Applodion (talk) 16:07, 29 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No, @Applodion:, I mean the non-combat supporting nations that I included, e.g., Libya or the United States. Did they really support the fighting forces, be it the government forces or rebels? BuddyHeigh (talk) 16:10, 29 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@BuddyHeigh: If the sources say so, yes. Applodion (talk) 07:16, 1 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ruhengeri and Mruhengeri

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Please, have a look at the russian wikipedia page related to the same city nowadays. They cited the source i cited and also state that Mruhengeri was the name used during the german period. [4] 91.81.156.195 (talk) 20:52, 1 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Except it does not say that this was the old spelling. It says that this was an alternate spelling, sometimes used in the past. In fact, the cited book instead seems to suggest that "Ruhengeri" was in use in the colonial period. Applodion (talk) 22:18, 1 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Am I making good edits?

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Over the past few months or so I have been looking for as much information on Liwa Fatemiyoun as I can find through proper sources. I was wondering if you could re-view the page to see whether or not my recent edits are any good or not. If the sources are reliable or is the information and other additions relevant. Considering your experience editing (especially on Liwa Fatemiyoun) I thought you would be the best person to ask of this. KashanAbbas (talk) 17:24, 14 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@KashanAbbas: Overall, I would say that you add generally useful content. I would just ask you to look out for two things:
  • 1) Over-linking. Usually, it's best when there are as few duplicate links as possible. For example, "Hezbollah" does not need to be linked every time it gets mentioned in Liwa Fatemiyoun; instead, link it in the infobox, in the lede, and then the first time it appears in the rest of the article.
  • 2) I think you might be copying content / sources from some articles to others. This is an understandable move, but you should always check what you are copying. For instance, here you seem to have copied stuff which was already questioned by another editor (see the "Wikipedia:Please clarify" note)
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That last stuff was copied from the Zainabiyoun page. I just realized that whole section was written by an account-less user. You can remove it if you like. Also, the account-less user should probably have their mistakes explained to him. I have been observing him for a few weeks now and he's just like me when i started. Give him time and an explanation and he'll likely improve.

As for me copying from sources, I generally try to avoid it by changing things up as much as I can, like here. I already learned my lesson when the moderator 'Dianna' removed my edit on Liwa Fatemiyoun and something elso because it violated wikipedia's copyright policey.

Thank you for your time Applodion. Much obliged. KashanAbbas (talk) 09:27, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Hey! Sorry to bother you, but I have a question. What is the copyright policy on wikipedia on using belonging to a dead person or dissolved organization? KashanAbbas (talk) 15:05, 24 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@KashanAbbas: No problem. In general, Wikipedia follows U.S. copyright laws. So unless something was deliberately put into public domain by the copyright holder (who is usually the creator, their inheritor or some kind of organization), content remains copyright-protected for 70 years after the author's death. Regarding dissolved groups, the copyright for their stuff would still be held by either a) those who originally created the object in question or b) someone who purchased the copyright rights. These are the most common circumstances, though there are various exceptions to these rules (for example, pictures created by animals and automated machines are in public domain regardless of their owners wishes; that's why many AI-generated images are not copyright-protected). Applodion (talk) 20:31, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I see. Would National Islamic Movement of Afghanistan (Junbish-e-Mili) fall into this category after the 2021 Taliban offensive and Fall of Kabul (2021)? KashanAbbas (talk) 09:55, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@KashanAbbas: What exactly do you mean regarding National Islamic Movement of Afghanistan? Its logos? Its photos? Applodion (talk) 15:52, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Its flag specifically. KashanAbbas (talk) 16:07, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@KashanAbbas: The flag would remain under copyright even if the party was disbanded, but it still seems to be regarded as active anyway. Applodion (talk) 18:50, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Okay. Thank you for your time! KashanAbbas (talk) 02:01, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Applodion would this image be copyrighted? The uploader says that it is a classified image. KashanAbbas (talk) 17:36, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@KashanAbbas: Yes. It was seemingly taken by a member of the Pakistani military, meaning that the copyright is owned by the Pakistani military. Classified photos are also copyright-protected, unless the owners release the images into public domain. Applodion (talk) 10:02, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I talked to the original poster (on reddit), he says that this one is declassified. I did some research and found this image also on X here. Its likely declassified since the faces of the operators is censored. I've seen public images of US special operation forces (such as the Delta Force and Special Activities Center) with faces being blurred. Could that apply here (under US copyright law) since they fulfil the same purpose? KashanAbbas (talk) 10:35, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@KashanAbbas: It's not about classified or declassified, it's about the ownership. The U.S. military has a special copyright law; all photos taken by US military members on duty are automatically put into public domain. Thus, photos by U.S. special forces are always allowed on Wikipedia. In contrast, the Pakistani military does not automatically put its images into public domain; thus, their images can only be put on Wikipedia when the military specifically allows them to pass into public domain. As a result, the photo you asked about could only be allowed on Wikipedia when the Pakistani military would say "We release this specific image under under public domain". Applodion (talk) 11:13, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Alright. I understand. KashanAbbas (talk) 11:09, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello, i was trying to contribute to your revolt in somalia wikipage, i have added multiple leaders with sources content, and i can send you many more reliable sources. Hassan kayd was the main mastermind behind the revolt, he was actually a main leader in the Somaliland War of Independence aswell, and the coup itself is sometimes informally referred to as “The revolt of Hassan Kayd” or “The coup of Hassan Kayd” by multiple authors and historians. Awil duale is also another one of the conspirators, you can read it on his wikipages if you want, along with abdillahi “Congo”, all the above were the main leaders who were captured and Abdilahi Awad was another conspirator who was killed in the coup itself. I myself am from Somaliland, i have been working on Somaliland wikipages for a while now, and have also researched this topic for a pretty long time. And again, if you have any doubts i can happily send you a lot of other sources. Samyatilius (talk) 14:46, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Samyatilius: After looking into it, I have found one source which describes Hassan Kayd as the coup's leader. For the others, I have found no reliable sources describing them as "leaders" or "commanders" of the coup. So if you have sources for Awil and Abdillahi, please list them here. Applodion (talk) 20:16, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
https://books.google.so/books?id=dxswEQAAQBAJ&pg=PA158&dq=Hussein+Ali+Duale&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&source=gb_mobile_search&ovdme=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiqzZ-XvKePAxXlTKQEHR-0OhAQ6AF6BAgLEAM
https://books.google.so/books?id=Ta_-EAAAQBAJ&pg=PA356&dq=Hussein+Ali+Duale&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&source=gb_mobile_search&ovdme=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiqzZ-XvKePAxXlTKQEHR-0OhAQ6AF6BAgHEAM
here are some sources, i’ll send the rest later in a bit Samyatilius (talk) 02:55, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Samyatilius: Neither source calls Awil and Abdillahi the "leaders" or "commanders" of the coup. Applodion (talk) 08:25, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
“Hargeisa and Burco garrisons led by Hassan Kayd and Hussein Ali Duale *Hussein Ali Duale is Awil his real name is Hussein* Samyatilius (talk) 10:37, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Samyatilius: Where do the sources say this? I cannot find it in the links above. Applodion (talk) 10:01, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Second link where it says “1961 Somaliland Revolt” which was the actual name of the 1961 revolt in somalia Samyatilius (talk) 14:18, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Samyatilius: Uh, but the source does not say that Awil and Abdillahi were the commanders of the revolt. It says that Hassan Kayd, Hussein Ali Duale and "other British-trained officers" led the local garrisons and further claims that the garrisons rebelled; yet these claims are contradicted by other sources (which say that they revolted against the garrison commanders, and that the garrisons largely remained loyal to the government). Applodion (talk) 15:08, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
hussein and awil are the same person, Awil is Hussein’s nickname Samyatilius (talk) 16:53, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Samyatilius: I know. The source still doesn't say that he was a main commander of the coup. Applodion (talk) 19:09, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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I an organization is designated as a terrorist organization by the United States, wouldn't that mean that US copyright law can't apply to such organizations? For example, both Liwa Fatemiyoun and Liwa Zainabiyoun are backed by Iran's IRGC and are somewhat part of the IRGC and all three of these are sanctioned by the US and designated as foreign terrorist organizations. How would any of them have copyrights under US laws if they and their affiliates aren't even allowed to step on US soil? Am I just overthinking things or can that actually apply? KashanAbbas (talk) 12:00, 6 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@KashanAbbas: Hi! That's actually a very common question. However, even if a organization might not be a valid copyright holder, the individual creators are still valid copyright holder. For example, if the U.S. decides to not recognize the copyright rights of the IRGC due to the terrorist designation, it would still have to respect the copyright rights of individual IRGC members - such as photographers, musicians, and the designers of flags, logos, paintings. It's worth noting that the U.S. security services actually often violate these rules, just using and copying photos, arts, and pictures of designated terrorists even though these people still hold the copyright. Still, Wikipedia tries to abide by the rules even if governments don't. Applodion (talk) 16:32, 6 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Applodion Alright. I understand. KashanAbbas (talk) 13:27, 7 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Should I add the High Council of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan as an opponent on Liwa Fatemiyoun? This is based on information in the History section of that page. What do you think? Do you think that I should add them? KashanAbbas (talk) 15:44, 9 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Applodion Well? KashanAbbas (talk) 09:21, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@KashanAbbas: Oh sorry, I completely forgot to answer you. Regarding your question: Did the High Council and Liwa Fatemiyoun ever actually fight each other directly? It does not seem they did so, then they should not be listed as opponents. Applodion (talk) 20:00, 22 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Applodion It is okay. The History section of there page says "However, while the Taliban had succeeded in quickly crushing the rebellion in Zabul province, they had more difficulty fighting in the predominantly Nurzai western region of Afghanistan, particularly the stronghold of Shindand district near Herat. This prompted Akhtar Mansour to seek help from Iran against the mutineers, which agreed to his request and sided with the Taliban loyalists.[1] The High Council responded by claiming to have killed multiple members of the Fatemiyoun division near Herat." KashanAbbas (talk) 03:30, 23 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant members from Kuwait has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. SMasonGarrison 15:29, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The Signpost: 17 December 2025

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Haussler

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Hi, if you give me your email I can send a copy of Haussler 2021. Or you can email me first if you don't your email made public Kowal2701 (talk) 22:25, 23 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Or you can download it at https://annas-archive.org/md5/e9a31700c0c8851d46f89a97754a6320. To view it, just drag the file into Anna's Archive Viewer (I had to use a VPN since the site is blocked in the UK) Kowal2701 (talk) 22:32, 23 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The Bugle: Issue 236, December 2025

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