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Noel, I'm very glad you too are doing work on this article. The Kaisergruft web site has typos on dates in it, and by more than one person working on the article, as we verify information, we can be sure that info in the mini-bios for those unlikely to ever have their own articles is valid in case someone decides to create a stub article for any of them. But in the meanwhile I have taken the attitude that for those minor players, their entry in this listing may be all that is ever said about them in the Wikipedia, so I try to give a little something about them besides their dates, if possible.

I have tended to retain the German spelling of names because of the context (a site within a German-speaking country) although that person may have an existing article. It just seemed too confusing to refer to the builder of the Karlsgruft as "Charles."

Naturally, this being a Wiki, you may have better ideas that you edit in. I'm not saying what I have done so far is right, just explaining what my thinking has been so far. I'm sure that as time goes on, the article will be much improved by edits and polishing from you and others!

I've visited the Kaisergruft several times, and I'm trying to use that experience and the materials I brought from there so that the reader can visualize such an experience vicariously, and appreciate the significance of some of the contents.

I've been hopping around from one section with abandon, but knowing that there is now someone else now doing much-appreciated work there too, I will try to stay within a single Vault until it is completely done so that we don't step on each other's edits.

Regards --StanZegel 4 July 2005 03:40 (UTC)

Never, ever, copy a page from one title to another. Doing so destroys the consistency of the edit history. Take it up with Nightstallion, if you think the consensus is invalid, I really don't care. — Mar. 15, '06 [18:58] <freakofnur_xture|talk>

Dear Noel, I insert some correct and impartial modifications in Hilda Toledano page: 1- the libel suit in Italy against Guy Stair Sainty "It is nothing whatsoever to do with the merits of the case nor the claims of Mr Poidimani which have not even been addressed by the court as yet" . Infact these are Stair Sainty words and you can see this here [1]. So I insert this also in Guy Stair Sainty page. 2- I have added a external link concerning the violence against the Royal House of Portugal, Constitutional Line by the Brazialian Culture Journal. 3- I have added the spanih version of Maria Pia of Braganza. In Duarte Pio of Braganza page I insert an important (and famous in Portugal) critique web site of Duarte and this news: “On March 17, 2007 the portuguese press reported the news that after the People's Monarchist Party president (Nuno da Camera Pereira) charge there will be a criminal trial against Mr Duarte Pio of Braganza for theft and unlawful use of the "São Miguel da Ala" Order.[2]” but the Duarte Pio supporters continue to delete this. Why?This is only a vandalism against the freedom of opinions. I insert also in pretender page the truth about: “Maria Pia of Saxe Coburg Braganza, was the (illegitimate daughter of Carlos I of Portugal. In the 1982 the Sacred Roman Rota confirmed her baptisimal documents with the paternity of the king and the presence of a document signed by King Carlos granting her the rights of the princes of Portugal.” But always this miguelist supporter continue to delete this and put his libellous version. I am also disgusted that this people insert Hilda Toledano as name of her wikipedia article and not her real name Maria Pia of Saxe Coburg Braganza. This is their method in order to discredit this pretender... Is possible and correct for you in a democratyc encycloepdia this censorship against this lady and her heir? I hope you can see that my contributiones are not vandalism....My best regards, Manuel de Sousa

Hi, please see my last consideration in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hilda_Toledano , thanks.

I understand (now). I was confused because his wife was still listed as The Duchess in Bavaria. Surtsicna (talk) 15:07, 18 October 2008 (UTC

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