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[edit]Hi, it's me again!
As usually I'm having problems with a YouTube related draft. Since it appears that you're already familiar with niche YouTube topics, I'll presume you already know about the 2016 Marina Joyce scandal. So far, the draft I created has been declined twice per WP:BLP1E and WP:LASTING which I personally disagree with. First off the draft is specifically about the 2016 scandal itself and is not biography of Marina Joyce so I don't know how its a violation of BLP1E. However the latter is the one I want to discuss. When I first submitted the draft, I only included the basic info about the scandal and the "Date Outfit Ideas" video. The second time I did some digging to find some more sources from outside of the time of the incident, resulting in adding a "Legacy" section, and finding sources that retrospectively called the incident as "most shocking scandal on YouTube" and one that compered it to the Balloon boy hoax. Despite this, the draft was declined again. I might be missing something about the validity of this topic, which is why I'm asking you for a second opinion.
TL;DR: Here is my draft, is it in violation WP:BLP1E and WP:LASTING? And is there anyway I can improve it some more?
Thanks! 1timeuse75 (talk) 13:36, 24 August 2026 (UTC)
- Hi! Sorry I didn't see this - I was away for about a month due to surgery. I'll take a look at this - I do somewhat remember this. There were a lot of "slow blink if you need help" comments about it.
- The biggie here would be to show how it's been discussed since 2016. There are a lot of very good sources from that time period, but they're all specific to that brief flurry of time. Books and scholarly journals/articles are a good way to help establish lasting notability. What concerns me is that the legacy section is predominantly offhand mentions of the event. There's a paragraph in Vanity Fair, which is good. Digital Spy is fine, but there's always been pushback against the site because it feels a bit tabloid/gossip-y when it comes to celebrity stuff.
- I would recommend retitling it to just "Date Outfit Ideas", rather than using the word scandal. It's kind of a loaded word, which can make people a bit more cautious about approving articles. You can absolutely say that certain outlets called it a scandal, but I don't know that we should title it as such unless it's extremely widely called a scandal. Even some of the other scandal articles out there kind of go light on using the term. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 15:44, 14 September 2026 (UTC)
- Hello! Hope the surgery went well. I've retitled the article to "Date Outfit Ideas". I'll have a look for sources in books and scholarly journals. I've already looked at most of the articles and the best ones post-"scandal" are the Vanity Fair and Digital Spy articles. 1timeuse75 (talk) 16:23, 14 September 2026 (UTC)
- After looking at some books and scholars, the best ones I could find (In English) was two books. I feel like this is a good start. Anymore advice? 1timeuse75 (talk) 13:48, 15 September 2026 (UTC)
- Not offhand - I'm trying to think who might be a good resource for this since I'm going to be very off and on Wikipedia for a while. The YouTube and internet culture WPs are all semi-active, so posting there is recommended but may not result in someone seeing the post. I'm going to tag a fellow editor who may know someone - Liz, do you know anyone that you would recommend to take a look at this? ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 18:24, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
- After looking at some books and scholars, the best ones I could find (In English) was two books. I feel like this is a good start. Anymore advice? 1timeuse75 (talk) 13:48, 15 September 2026 (UTC)
- Hello! Hope the surgery went well. I've retitled the article to "Date Outfit Ideas". I'll have a look for sources in books and scholarly journals. I've already looked at most of the articles and the best ones post-"scandal" are the Vanity Fair and Digital Spy articles. 1timeuse75 (talk) 16:23, 14 September 2026 (UTC)
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[edit]Over a decade ago you redirected the article Manson Family Movies. Do you have any particular objection to me reviving this article (with better sourcing this time?) You didn't give an explanation for why you redirected it- I assume notability? There's quite a lot of coverage in old books and magazines.
Also, unrelated, but I saw your user page notice. Wishing you the best. PARAKANYAA (talk) 18:48, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
- Well, I assume it was based on notability, given the few sources in the original, so I'm going to go ahead and do that. PARAKANYAA (talk) 19:22, 17 September 2026 (UTC)
- I have no problem with that. Just fair warning - this is tied to the whole Moon Metropolis thing. Long story short, he was caught sockpuppeting and his edits/creations had various issues like sourcing. After he was banned, there was a move to review all of his articles, with an emphasis on deletion. I think I redirected that in the hopes that sourcing may eventually become available. Then he got into the news a few years later for other stuff. You may get some pushback for the page, just fair warning. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 15:41, 18 September 2026 (UTC)
- I did not think that was him of all people! TIL he was a Wikipedia editor! Well, there's basically none of his text remaining. PARAKANYAA (talk) 16:28, 18 September 2026 (UTC)
- I have no problem with that. Just fair warning - this is tied to the whole Moon Metropolis thing. Long story short, he was caught sockpuppeting and his edits/creations had various issues like sourcing. After he was banned, there was a move to review all of his articles, with an emphasis on deletion. I think I redirected that in the hopes that sourcing may eventually become available. Then he got into the news a few years later for other stuff. You may get some pushback for the page, just fair warning. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 15:41, 18 September 2026 (UTC)
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