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Happy editing! -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 08:16, 22 March 2025 (UTC) -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 08:16, 22 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please keep in mind you have a COI and should not make controversial or substantial edits to that article. Use the talk page. I have undone a removal you made. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 16:08, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I do not believe I have a conflict of interest. I made a mistake when I created this account originally. At the time I was just going to make the one edit and not continue, but I was then given the advice that I should broaden my scope and develop trust in the wiki community by contributing across a broad range of articles. I've since changed my username and decided to learn the wiki ways and get more involved. I am operating independently and only making evidence based edits. ShadowAdvocate (talk) 04:07, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have reverted your changes to this article, as your COI is obvious. You may discuss your proposed changes on the talk page if you like, but do not reinstate them without establishing consensus. – bradv 15:33, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I do not have a COI.

All the changes I have made are evidence based changes. I corrected factually incorrect information and included references and reasoning. Please read them. ShadowAdvocate (talk) 15:42, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Then it should be easy to convince people on the talk page that your edits are an improvement. – bradv 15:43, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You'll see that I used the talk page months ago and no one responded. I think your reverts are unjust. I'm new here so could you help me learn if I have options available to me? ShadowAdvocate (talk) 15:45, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

When several editors tell you that Wikipedia considers that you have a COI, then just act like that is the case. I suggest you use the talk page, like those with a COI should do. Start a section for each proposed edit, one at a time, not all at once. Settle each issue and then move on to the next. Let other editors have some input. If they see merit in your suggested edit (or a reworked version), then someone else will install it, or they may ask you to do it. That will avoid controversy, and that's what you should strive for. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 03:28, 11 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hey thanks for your advice. I have done that, but I've found that this page doesn't have high traffic and my previous edit on the talk page had no replies. This is why I just started editing the page, making sure I backed everything up with rationale and references.

Do you have any suggestions on what to do if no one replies? ShadowAdvocate (talk) 03:33, 11 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You can ping editors who have previously edited the article or talk page. Be patient. There is no rush. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 03:54, 11 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have any advice on what is next with the edits on that page? Do I wait until someone comes along and makes the edits? There's been support for my edits, but do I assume that I'm still not allowed to directly edit the page? ShadowAdvocate (talk) 01:30, 19 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The proper place to ask is on that talk page. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 03:27, 19 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ok thanks, will do. I was just looking for advice for myself on how to behave on Wikipedia, but that answers my question! ShadowAdvocate (talk) 04:17, 19 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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By definition, "Evidence based alternative medicine" does not exist. Just sayin'...

• Alternative medicine#Definitions and terminology

Alternative medicine is defined loosely as a set of products, practices, and theories that are believed or perceived by their users to have the healing effects of medicine, but whose effectiveness has not been established using scientific methods.

Journalist John Diamond wrote that "there is really no such thing as alternative medicine, just medicine that works and medicine that doesn't",^[1][2] a notion later echoed by Paul Offit: "The truth is there's no such thing as conventional or alternative or complementary or integrative or holistic medicine. There's only medicine that works and medicine that doesn't. And the best way to sort it out is by carefully evaluating scientific studies—not by visiting Internet chat rooms, reading magazine articles, or talking to friends."^[3]

Marcia Angell proposed that healthcare practices should be classified based solely on scientific evidence, and if a treatment had been rigorously tested and found safe and effective, science-based medicine will adopt it regardless of whether it was considered "alternative" to begin with.^[4] It is possible for a method to change categories (proven vs. unproven), based on increased knowledge of its effectiveness or lack thereof. Prominent supporters of this position are George D. Lundberg, former editor of the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) and the journal's interim editor-in-chief Phil Fontanarosa.^[5]

Tim Minchin summarizes it best in his beat poem. It's hilarious and informative: Storm, Lyrics

"By definition," I begin, "Alternative Medicine," I continue, "Has either not been proved to work or been proved not to work. Do you know what they call alternative medicine that's been proved to work? Medicine."

It's a real Catch-22 situation. When some alternative medicine practice is proven to work (that rarely happens anymore) it ceases to be "alternative" and just becomes "medicine". Its origins are irrelevant. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 23:48, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Valjean (talk) (PING me) 23:48, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes you have a good point. I agree that alternative medicine hasn't undergone the rigorous studies like mainstream medicine. However, I'm in support of theee being potential benefit from certain modalities. For example, peppermint oil contains menthol and wintergreen has salicylic acid, so these two oils can be rubbed onto muscles for muscle support, just like mainstream over the counter products. To be clear, I don't support alternative medicines like homeopathy. This is what I mean by "evidence based".

I'll have a rethink about how I can word it better. ShadowAdvocate (talk) 00:08, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hey we've had some good discussion on the Vaccine Hesitancy thread and I think you understand me better now. Would you be able to help advise me regarding the admin who's just reverted all my HEART Party edits? I only made evidence based edits based on my knowledge of AEC processes etc. A lot of the page regarding the audits was wrong and I think the reverts were a bit unfair. What do I do? ShadowAdvocate (talk) 16:03, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Reply moved to above and placed in relevant section. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 03:31, 11 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]