The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. – robertsky (talk) 00:27, 14 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Cleveland → Cleveland, OhioCleveland, Ohio
• Cleveland (disambiguation) → Cleveland

– The most recent RM on this subject was over eight years ago at Talk:Cleveland (disambiguation)#Requested move 10 December 2016, although there was a momentary attempt a year later at Talk:Cleveland/Archive 4#Requested move 22 November 2017, but that RM was withdrawn less than an hour after being submitted. Basically, there are 77 bulleted entries listed upon the Cleveland (disambiguation) page, a number of which are also dab pages — Cleveland, Wisconsin [5 entries], Cleveland motorcycle [5 entries], Cleveland (surname) [23 entries, including the Charles Cleveland dab page with 5 additional entries], Cleveland (given name) [10 entries], Cleveland High School [15 entries, most named for President Cleveland], Cleveland School [5 entries], Cleveland City Schools [4 entries], Cleveland College (disambiguation) [8 entries], Cleveland Elementary School [3 entries], Cleveland Township [27 entries], Mount Cleveland [7 entries] and Cape Cleveland [4 entries]. It should be also noted that Cleveland is neither Ohio's largest city nor its capital (both of those refer to Columbus, Ohio, which is not the primary topic of the Columbus dab page). It may be likewise noted that Cleveland is not even among the 50 largest U.S. cities (its position on the List of United States cities by population is 54). Finally, as a point of interest and/or comparison, a glance at the unanimously unsuccessful RM Phoenix, Arizona → Phoenix at Talk:Phoenix, Arizona#Requested move 1 February 2023, the fifth largest city in the U.S., offers an example that when dab pages are as extensive as the Phoenix disambiguation page or the Cleveland (disambiguation) page, cities would need top-level status to rise to primary status (among the top 10 cities on the list, #5 Phoenix, Arizona and #10 Jacksonville, Florida are not primary topics). —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 17:33, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose - the given examples of a Columbus and Phoenix are poor comparisons given that they are the names of an internationally known historical figure and a mythological creature, respectively. No such thing exists for Cleveland. EvergreenFir (talk) 17:38, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No such thing exists for Cleveland. Oh, that's nasty. GMG^talk 14:40, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Support: The Major cities section of WP:USPLACE says that major US cities (which by the criteria of the guideline includes this one) should not have comma convention disambiguation unless they are not the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. There are examples of this latter outcome cited in the policy, such as Phoenix, Arizona, which would be located at Phoenix except that it is not the primary topic. As noted in the nomination, I think the same approach should be consistently applied here. It seems implausible to argue that the city of Cleveland in Ohio meets the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC criteria of being more prominent than any other single topic, and also more prominent than all others combined, when just one other Cleveland, Grover Cleveland, consistently has more pageviews than the article for the city in Ohio.[1] On that basis there is no need look further at the second leg of the test, as it has already failed the first and is not the primary topic. Tomiĉo (talk) 09:55, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Support per nom and Tomiĉo. WP:USPLACE does list Cleveland as exempt from City, State usage using the AP Stylebook. However, it also states unless they are not the primary topic for that name which I do believe applies to this situation, similar to Phoenix, Arizona. There are multiple uses that could apply to Cleveland, including the former president. In addition, the city itself on its official website disamgiuates with the state, unlike with Phoenix, Arizona. cookie monster 755 10:28, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose – Cleveland is very much listed in the AP Stylebook, and is clearly the primary topic. Grover Cleveland is not well-known enough to be what first comes to mind when one says Cleveland, and the city, which has several hundred thousand people, has greater long-term significance than an unremarkable 19th-century US president. 🐔 Chicdat  ^{Bawk to me!} 11:02, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose per EvergreenFir and Chicdat. SashaFromSolon (talk) 13:51, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose. When someone says "Cleveland", the primary topic, the one that comes to mind, is certainly the city in Ohio. If I said "Let's find out about Cleveland", one would not think of any other Cleveland. -- Ssilvers (talk) 14:15, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose. The existence of other articles with Cleveland in the title doesn't prevent the city from being the primary topic. No one looking for an article on a Cleveland High School would search just Cleveland, for example. ~~ Jessintime (talk) 14:28, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose the reasons this has been rejected multiple times over several years have not changed. There is no strong evidence that the city in Ohio is not the primary topic of "Cleveland". Grover Cleveland having more pageviews doesn't mean the city in Ohio isn't the primary topic for "Cleveland" since the Grover Cleveland article has never been titled as "Cleveland" and there's no evidence I can find that people coming to the Cleveland article were actually looking for the Grover Cleveland article or any other Cleveland-titled article not related to the city. --JonRidinger (talk) 17:57, 7 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose. I agree with myself in 2016. The city was already prominent when Grover Cleveland first became president and it's still prominent today. I don't think he's well known as "Cleveland", particularly given his Muppety first name is hard to forget. Nohomersryan (talk) 20:54, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose, based on Wikinav, 436 viewers navigated to the Cleveland (disambiguation) from the Cleveland article during February 2025, making it the 10th most visited target-page (including when excluding non-wiki sources). The disambiguation page received 730 incoming views, while 55.3k visited the Cleveland article. I see no evidence supporting that anything other than the Ohio city is the primary topic. 2018rebel 23:36, 8 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]