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Proposal on revising the YouTube link (“I Exposed India’s Poop-Throwing Festival!”)
[edit]I would like to discuss about the YouTube link “I Exposed India’s Poop-Throwing Festival! 🇮🇳💩” from the External links section.
The video appears to be self-published content by a YouTuber without editorial oversight or verification. Per WP:ELNO and WP:RS, user-generated videos are not considered reliable sources and are generally unsuitable for external linking unless they are produced or cited by reputable, independent media.
Also, this video has been criticized for promoting sensationalism and cultural insensitivity. Keeping it without much context could bring undue weight to a alleged biased portrayal of the festival (WP:UNDUE and WP:NPOV).
As the article already has external links to reliable coverage from Al Jazeera, BBC and Deccan Herald, the YouTube link does not contribute additional encyclopedic value.
If the editors agree that the link should remain for contextual purposes, I would at least suggest changing it to a more neutral and descriptive format:
- "Inside India's Poop-Throwing Festival!" – Controversial video by YouTuber Tyler Oliveira documenting the Gorehabba festival, which was widely criticized by news outlets and commentators for sensationalism, cultural insensitivity, and allegedly promoting negative stereotypes.
This would keep it encyclopedic, and justified. Including the reason makes it clear why the external link might be relevant despite controversy. ~2025-32265-05 (talk) 06:16, 10 November 2025 (UTC)
- The link must remain because it is first of its kind, providing a first hand view into the ritual, it is also relevant since the article already references this video in prose. The POV commentary you want is unsuitable for the parameter, which can only have the title of the video itself. Zalaraz (talk) 07:08, 10 November 2025 (UTC)
- @Zalaraz: WP:ELNO is pretty clear about which types of links are disallowed. Random YouTube videos (non-RS) with provocative/derogatory titles are not it. You can take it to WP:ELN but the response would be much the same. I have removed your addition as such. Gotitbro (talk) 04:21, 11 November 2025 (UTC)
- The video is not random, it is directly referenced in prose. Zalaraz (talk) 01:58, 12 November 2025 (UTC)
- All the more reason this is unnecessary, it is already covered by RS in the body and this article is not about the video (i.e. this WP:YOUTUBE video fails WP:ELYES [unofficial and non-RS link for a subject already covered in the article] and WP:ELPOV). Also, I shouldn't really have to explain why something as derogatory as a national flag + poop emoji is simply not going to be put up as a link at an encyclopedia. Again, you can seek clarifications at the ELN or RSN noticeboards but the policies and guidelines are already pretty clear to not link this at all. Gotitbro (talk) 03:20, 12 November 2025 (UTC)
- The video is not random, it is directly referenced in prose. Zalaraz (talk) 01:58, 12 November 2025 (UTC)
- @Zalaraz: WP:ELNO is pretty clear about which types of links are disallowed. Random YouTube videos (non-RS) with provocative/derogatory titles are not it. You can take it to WP:ELN but the response would be much the same. I have removed your addition as such. Gotitbro (talk) 04:21, 11 November 2025 (UTC)
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Change only village name to village name + the information that this is a hyper localized festival ~2025-33627-70 (talk) 20:00, 14 November 2025 (UTC)
Not done. Uh, what? NotJamestack (talk) 20:13, 14 November 2025 (UTC)
Addition of the term hyper localized
[edit]This is a hyper localized festival. ~2025-33627-70 (talk) 20:01, 14 November 2025 (UTC)
Related to Diwali and Shiva
[edit]Citations used in article which refer this festival to Diwali and Shiva are inaccurate and just POV. Diwali being a north Indian festival has no relation with this festival. And incarnation of shiva isn't there in citation ▄︻テ░Blaada══━一 (talk) 07:32, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- Diwali is a major Hindu festival and cannot be characterized solely as a North Indian celebration. As noted in the Diwali article, “Diwali is the Hindu festival of lights, with variations celebrated in other Indian religions such as Jainism and Sikhism.” FactCheckerBharath (talk) 08:02, 17 November 2025 (UTC)@
- Hindu festival of lights but the variations are in Northern India. It is not celebrated in Southern India and Nepal. Hindu festivals doesn't means it is celebrated by all hindus ▄︻テ░Blaada══━一 (talk) 08:05, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks for your info. Do you have any source's to confirming your claim, that Diwali is celebrated only in North India and not celebrated in South India? FactCheckerBharath (talk) 08:24, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- Festivals in India are followed by sowing and harvesting season. Diwali in north is celebrated in harvesting season which is suitable for Lakshmi welcoming and burning diyas and in open. While in south, it is having Northeast monsoonAt this time. Crop cutting festival in South is celebrated as Pongal. Which is almost 2 months later. While North of India is celebrating Diwali on Kartik Purnima, South celebrates karthigai. Dipawali is only limited to Deccan part of South India introduced by Krishnadevaray. While there is another festival known as Narak Chaturdashi in south when North India celebrates Diwali
- https://archive.org/stream/SignificanceOfKarthigaDeepam/Significance%20of%20Karthiga%20Deepam_djvu.txtties/bengaluru/2012/Nov/09/narakasura-diwali-story-423942.html
- https://www.newindianexpress.com/cities/bengaluru/2012/Nov/09/narakasura-diwali-story-423942.html ▄︻テ░Blaada══━一 (talk) 09:25, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- You are having the basic confusion between Diwali, karthigai and Sankranti and or Pongal. The New Indian Express source provided by you clearly states what is Diwali for North and South, thanks for providing this source and confirming Diwali is common for North and South. If you are interested to re-write the history as you wish, you have to go purana periods. Still my question is not answered. FactCheckerBharath (talk) 10:37, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks for your info. Do you have any source's to confirming your claim, that Diwali is celebrated only in North India and not celebrated in South India? FactCheckerBharath (talk) 08:24, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
- Hindu festival of lights but the variations are in Northern India. It is not celebrated in Southern India and Nepal. Hindu festivals doesn't means it is celebrated by all hindus ▄︻テ░Blaada══━一 (talk) 08:05, 17 November 2025 (UTC)
Regarding sources
[edit]Hello, I would like to discuss why the first source regarding topics of Hinduism involving cow dung uses a National Library of Medicine source, as well as the source being provided by authors who are outside of said religion. I feel that it is inappropriate and should use something else as a more precise explanation, preferably written by people of said religion to avoid any sort of unintentional bias, like the sources in Panchagavya. Pioneerwada (talk) 15:23, 9 December 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks for bringing this up, sourcing on wikipedia is based on reliable sources, which the National Library of Medicine meets, and we generally don't exclude reliable sources solely based on authors' religious affiliations. Though, if you had specific sources in mind feel free to share here. EM (talk) 19:42, 9 December 2025 (UTC)
Unsourced edits
[edit]Some users, such as @Linkin Prankster and @Narahari bengaluru, are continuously editing the page without proper sources and are adding their own research. Both edits are not in compliance with Wikipedia policies, specifically WP:VANDAL and WP:OR. I suggest that you please review the discussion on the talk page before making further edits to avoid ANI. ~2026-51473-7 (talk) 06:54, 24 January 2026 (UTC)
- Your accusation is completely untrue. I specifically added Reuters as a source while making my edits right here: [1].
- You were reverted because you didn't add a source and reverted my sourced edits.
- Falsely accusing others of vandalism like you did recently here is against Wikipedia polices.
- You know how edit warring works, so I suggest you stop. Taking it to ANI will only make it look worse when my edit here was specifically adding a source. Linkin Prankster (talk) 07:05, 24 January 2026 (UTC)
- As you know in Wikipedia we needs sources and not the words and your original researchers. Please explain how the Reuters source backup your edits. ~2026-51767-8 (talk) 07:12, 24 January 2026 (UTC)
- The source explicitly states Gumutpura village is located in Tamil Nadu had you bothered to read it. This was done because some other sources have identified it as being located in Karanataka. Linkin Prankster (talk) 07:46, 24 January 2026 (UTC)
- All the sources that are already mentioned in the article say the same thing: the village is located in Tamil Nadu. But what I am asking is that the source for the word you are including in your edit.
- This is one of the unique Hindu festivals happening for the last 300 years. We should feel proud of it, irrespective of what other says. I'm not sure how the Kannadigas feel about it. The festival is celebrated by Kannada peoples on the border of Tamil Nadu and Karnataka. ~2026-46966-2 (talk) 08:01, 24 January 2026 (UTC)
- All the sources don't state it happens in Tamil Nadu. Example this one.
- And I'm not editing because of lack of any pride, I'm trying to make the information accurate. I'm a Punjabi, I have nothing to do with this festival or South India. Linkin Prankster (talk) 08:54, 24 January 2026 (UTC)
- All the informations are accurate and verified by the previous editors who are aware of the festival and cross checked by the source for many years. Already a page protection notice is going on. Thanks for your understanding. ~2026-46966-2 (talk) 09:00, 24 January 2026 (UTC)
- So is the village in Tamil Nadu or Karnataka? Linkin Prankster (talk) 09:29, 24 January 2026 (UTC)
- The village is in Tamil Nadu only and the same also mentioned in the article itself. However, before the India's Independence the village was with Karnataka state, after the sate bifurcation in late 1950's it was allocate to the Tamil Nadu and the village located exactly in the border of Karnataka and Tamil Nadu.
- Traditionally the festival was observed by the Karnataka peoples as per the sources since last 300 years. After the bifurcation the Kanada speaking peoples from Karnataka and form the village celebrating the festivals as per the tradition. The name Gorhabba itself ordinate from the the Language Kanada.
- The festival become viral after an American Youtuber posted a video in youtube for his own benefit or for citric about hygiene. The left wing guys from Karnata offended with the video and the Right wing guys started supporting our culture and religion. 2026-52343-AA (talk) 11:46, 24 January 2026 (UTC)
- So is the village in Tamil Nadu or Karnataka? Linkin Prankster (talk) 09:29, 24 January 2026 (UTC)
- All the informations are accurate and verified by the previous editors who are aware of the festival and cross checked by the source for many years. Already a page protection notice is going on. Thanks for your understanding. ~2026-46966-2 (talk) 09:00, 24 January 2026 (UTC)
- The source explicitly states Gumutpura village is located in Tamil Nadu had you bothered to read it. This was done because some other sources have identified it as being located in Karanataka. Linkin Prankster (talk) 07:46, 24 January 2026 (UTC)
- As you know in Wikipedia we needs sources and not the words and your original researchers. Please explain how the Reuters source backup your edits. ~2026-51767-8 (talk) 07:12, 24 January 2026 (UTC)
- This accusation is quite untrue. Someone with multiple temporary account always undo's an edit which wither claims the village is in tamil nadu or when it says the village speaks both kannada and tamil. There has been clear video evidence in which the participants are clearly speaking both Tamil and kannada https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jf7hmRQ32EA. In the video participants are clearly speaking tamil along with kannada. Contrary there has been nil evidence the festival is celebrated anywhere else in karnataka. The multiple temporary accounts are blatantly trying to portray this as part of one culture unrelated to other culture, but the reality as seen through evidences quite clearly suggests its a border multicultural festival and it has to be portrayed as it is.
- To add to it further, these temporary accounts are further deleting other edits the page is receiving as well. Like for example a similar festival in USA's wisconsin (Cow Chip Throw) which was added in see also section. Need help to have these edits noted and further protect them from being undone. I have made my edits citing quite genuine sources, be it India today/reuters/video evidences. Which i have to contiue to do that way. You cannot close discussions basis evidence less opinions that is being put above. Narahari bengaluru (talk) 17:51, 25 January 2026 (UTC)
- This temporary account also blocked everyone from replying to this section by adding close tags. I have removed it. Narahari bengaluru (talk) 17:56, 25 January 2026 (UTC)
- Now you came to the point. The line itself wrong "local Hindu festival celebrated in a Kannada and Tamil speaking village" instead it should be "local Hindu festival celebrated by Kannada peoples in the village" since the festival is belong to Karnataka as per the sources. Encyclopaedia of the Folk Culture of Karnataka. If required I will provide you the additional sources about the village bifurcation from Karnataka to Tamil Nadu. ~2026-55402-9 (talk) 05:14, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
- Again, repeating- The video clearly shows local people of Tamil and kannada languages participating in the celebration. Besides yours English is also wrong if you don't mind. Narahari bengaluru (talk) 05:22, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
- I understand already, but you have to familiar with Wikipedia policy before editing. One of the Wikipedia core policy is WP:RS, the video which you are citing falls under WP:RSSELF and WP:UGC, meaning not valid. Furthermore, the original researches are also not allowed as per WP:OR.
- For you information, earlier the article states the festival by Kannada peoples only. Since it was offended by many it was slightly changed to Kannada speaking peoples. Since the name and the origin of the Gorehabba is purely from Karnataka as per all the 3rd party sources and history, you should feel proud of the festival and ignore citric from others. ~2026-54874-5 (talk) 05:42, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
- Souce I cite is metro news. Which is a major news agency, the video cited above is not user generated. Content from reputed news agency are accepted clearly according to Wikipedia policies. And in that content clearly tamil and kannada speaking people are participating. More tamil than kannada.
- Hence the source I cited is valid and is not original research.
- As per your last point, I have no where debated kannada people of gumatapura are not participating in festival, so there is no point in going to personal suggestions. Larger point I am trying to convey is the festival is not really a common one observed in other places of karnataka. This is a pretty local one from the village of Tamil Nadu-karnataka border, where in people of kannada and Tamil cultures both happily participate. Narahari bengaluru (talk) 06:04, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
- Besides for future purposes kindly check your English grammar as well before making an edit, there are multiple mistakes. Narahari bengaluru (talk) 06:07, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
- It is an interview conducted by Metro News, not a research-based or documentary type, therefore it should not be considered a reliable source under Wikipedia original research policy. The interpretation you are doing from the video constitutes your own analysis.
- Please do not divert from the topic. The issue here is not the location where the festival is celebrated, but whose culture Gorhabba belongs to. All cited sources clearly indicate that the festival belongs to Karnataka. 2026-52343-AA (talk) 06:56, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
- There is no record or source where it is seen this festival is celebrated in Karnataka. Only record is that of gumatapura which is in Tamil Nadu. I have never disagreed about kannada people of gumatapura not participating. Evidences from reputed sources show tamil participation as well, which is added and repeated here multiple times. No need to debate further ~2026-56045-5 (talk) 07:26, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
- Please read the full context before commenting. Please do not attempt to attribute a Karnataka festival to other cultures. 2026-52343-AA (talk) 07:28, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
- Its a local festival in Tamil nadu's border village. How can it be Karnataka's festival when it's not seen in any karnataka village? Are you denying tamil people are participating? I have given sources that they participate. Show me sources which say they don't participate. As per kannada culture it's already added and indicated, no need to debate that. Show proof that tamil people don't participate in this festival which is celebrated in Tamil nadu's village. ~2026-55090-5 (talk) 07:36, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
- So, you have not gone through the article, the sources, or the talk page. Please do not waste our time here. 2026-52343-AA (talk) 07:40, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
- Speak for yourself. I have gone through all of them. Yes this is done. Let's discuss only further when you give sources which deny tamil people participation. ~2026-55090-5 (talk) 07:42, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
- I have already done so, and I am not in a position to explain this repeatedly to every individual engaging in vandalism on the talk page.
- I propose changing the lead section to: a local Hindu festival celebrated by Kannada people in the village. 2026-52343-AA (talk) 07:54, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
- Again: Tamil people also clearly participate according video proofs and sources, so it will remain as 'A local hindu festival celebrated by Kannada and Tamil speaking village of gumatapura'. As it's added with proper sources ~2026-55090-5 (talk) 08:14, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
- No, Youtube video interview is not a source per WP:OR. 2026-52343-AA (talk) 08:21, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
- it's a News agency published video. Which is a good source ~2026-55090-5 (talk) 08:31, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
- Please read my previous reply once more. If you still don’t understand, I’m not here to help you. 2026-52343-AA (talk) 08:39, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
- Please don't push your biases further. It's a published aged video from a reputed news agency (it's not breaking news). Discussion is closed on it. I won't reply further.
- From beginning where you started disruptive edits to location being in Tamil nadu, till trying to edit away tamil participation, you were warned of vandalism by multiple users and also provided multiple sources of truth. Yet if you are adamant then this falls under vandalism I will leave it with moderators. Signing off ~2026-55090-5 (talk) 08:52, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
- Not to forget (for moderators) you also tried to close this discussion by adding close tags before I can respond to the false accusations, signals nefarious intent from the get go, as well calling my actions as vandalism which is a classic case of pot calling kettle black. ~2026-55090-5 (talk) 08:56, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
- @Narahari bengaluru The discussion was closed after reaching a conclusion with the other user. However, you have already reopened it. 2026-52343-AA (talk) 09:00, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
- Quite nefarious after accusing me and closing conversation before I respond that too in few hours, not even a day ~2026-55090-5 (talk) 09:02, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
- It is common practice on Wikipedia to do after a conclusion. Otherwise, everyone would come with their own research. 2026-52343-AA (talk) 10:54, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
- Is it common practice to also vandalised, disruptive edits, wrongfully accuse and hide behind random rules😄? ReardenSemiReal (talk) 10:57, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
- It is common practice on Wikipedia to do after a conclusion. Otherwise, everyone would come with their own research. 2026-52343-AA (talk) 10:54, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
- Quite nefarious after accusing me and closing conversation before I respond that too in few hours, not even a day ~2026-55090-5 (talk) 09:02, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
- @Narahari bengaluru The discussion was closed after reaching a conclusion with the other user. However, you have already reopened it. 2026-52343-AA (talk) 09:00, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
- Thank you for signing off. On Wikipedia we must always follow the norms stipulated for each and every edit. We should not impose our own research in any article. 2026-52343-AA (talk) 08:59, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
- Yes good that you know it. Now follow that. ~2026-55090-5 (talk) 08:59, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
- Thank you for the understanding. 2026-52343-AA (talk) 09:01, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
- From the beginning, I have been following Wikipedia’s policies. I hope you now understand what WP:OR means and please revert your vandalism. 2026-52343-AA (talk) 10:58, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
- All good. Hope you are enjoying your ban. Cheers ReardenSemiReal (talk) 11:03, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
- @Narahari bengaluru Narahari, Making fun of other editors is not good on Wikipedia. 2026-52343-AA (talk) 11:08, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
- Narahari, I think so. 2026-52343-AA (talk) 12:35, 29 January 2026 (UTC)
- All good. Hope you are enjoying your ban. Cheers ReardenSemiReal (talk) 11:03, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
- From the beginning, I have been following Wikipedia’s policies. I hope you now understand what WP:OR means and please revert your vandalism. 2026-52343-AA (talk) 10:58, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
- Thank you for the understanding. 2026-52343-AA (talk) 09:01, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
- Yes good that you know it. Now follow that. ~2026-55090-5 (talk) 08:59, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
- Not to forget (for moderators) you also tried to close this discussion by adding close tags before I can respond to the false accusations, signals nefarious intent from the get go, as well calling my actions as vandalism which is a classic case of pot calling kettle black. ~2026-55090-5 (talk) 08:56, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
- Please read my previous reply once more. If you still don’t understand, I’m not here to help you. 2026-52343-AA (talk) 08:39, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
- it's a News agency published video. Which is a good source ~2026-55090-5 (talk) 08:31, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
- No, Youtube video interview is not a source per WP:OR. 2026-52343-AA (talk) 08:21, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
- Again: Tamil people also clearly participate according video proofs and sources, so it will remain as 'A local hindu festival celebrated by Kannada and Tamil speaking village of gumatapura'. As it's added with proper sources ~2026-55090-5 (talk) 08:14, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
- Speak for yourself. I have gone through all of them. Yes this is done. Let's discuss only further when you give sources which deny tamil people participation. ~2026-55090-5 (talk) 07:42, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
- So, you have not gone through the article, the sources, or the talk page. Please do not waste our time here. 2026-52343-AA (talk) 07:40, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
- Its a local festival in Tamil nadu's border village. How can it be Karnataka's festival when it's not seen in any karnataka village? Are you denying tamil people are participating? I have given sources that they participate. Show me sources which say they don't participate. As per kannada culture it's already added and indicated, no need to debate that. Show proof that tamil people don't participate in this festival which is celebrated in Tamil nadu's village. ~2026-55090-5 (talk) 07:36, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
- Please read the full context before commenting. Please do not attempt to attribute a Karnataka festival to other cultures. 2026-52343-AA (talk) 07:28, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
- There is no record or source where it is seen this festival is celebrated in Karnataka. Only record is that of gumatapura which is in Tamil Nadu. I have never disagreed about kannada people of gumatapura not participating. Evidences from reputed sources show tamil participation as well, which is added and repeated here multiple times. No need to debate further ~2026-56045-5 (talk) 07:26, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
- Again, repeating- The video clearly shows local people of Tamil and kannada languages participating in the celebration. Besides yours English is also wrong if you don't mind. Narahari bengaluru (talk) 05:22, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
- Now you came to the point. The line itself wrong "local Hindu festival celebrated in a Kannada and Tamil speaking village" instead it should be "local Hindu festival celebrated by Kannada peoples in the village" since the festival is belong to Karnataka as per the sources. Encyclopaedia of the Folk Culture of Karnataka. If required I will provide you the additional sources about the village bifurcation from Karnataka to Tamil Nadu. ~2026-55402-9 (talk) 05:14, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
Lead
[edit]Many users are vandalizing the article by adding unsourced content and user-generated video content as sources. It won't solve the issue. Only consensus (based on the consensus above) and WP:RS-compliant sources can resolve it. The main problem is that some editors do not write from a neutral point of view, which leads to continuous disruption. There are a few important points we should note from reliable news articles.
The Hindu and Reuters state that the festival is celebrated predominantly by Kannada-speaking villagers. [1] [2]
The village of Gumatapura is located on the border of Karnataka (Chamarajanagar taluk):
and Tamil Nadu (Talavadi taluk):
- https://www.indiatoday.in/india/tamil-nadu/story/cow-dung-flinging-festival-chaniyadi-tamil-nadu-end-of-diwali-thalavadi-village-erode-2627614-2024-11-04 (It also mentions "The festival, called ‘Gorehabba’ is celebrated in Karnataka. is reportedly more than a hundred years old." )
- https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/life-style/travel/things-to-do/this-village-in-south-india-celebrates-a-unique-cow-poop-festival-every-year/articleshow/125330013.cms (It mentions Kannada speaking villagers)
As a result, some newspapers describe it as a Karnataka village, while others describe it as a Tamil Nadu village. Some newspapers intentionally state that Gumatapura is situated on the border of the southern states of Karnataka and Tamil Nadu, which is a neutral and acceptable description.
The article previously had this lead sentence, but some vandals began editing the article in an unconstructive manner, causing repeated disruption.
We should retain the original lead:
“Gorehabba is a local hindu festival celebrated in a village called Gumatapura, which lies on the border of Karnataka and Tamil Nadu,” as this wording is supported by major newspapers. Wormholexx (talk) 15:27, 27 January 2026 (UTC)
- This version is acceptable, my primary opposition was to call it a karnataka festival, which might not be appropriate because:
- 1. This village is in Tamil Nadu
- 2. There simply is no record of this festival being celebrated anywhere in karnataka.
- Hence it's not appropriate. Similarly for tamil nadu, this village is probably the only place such a festival is observed. So it's better to keep it that way.
- Though it might be harmless to mention the obvious that the village is in Tamil nadu, for the purpose of consensus and neutrality I accept this wording. ReardenSemiReal (talk) 21:56, 27 January 2026 (UTC)
- \\"There is no record of this festival being celebrated anywhere in Karnataka."\\
- News sources (referenced above) mention that the Gorehabba festival is celebrated in rural Karnataka.
- We should focus on what reliable sources state and refine the wording to maintain neutrality. Selectively choosing a one-sided lead without context will mislead readers and defeat the purpose of Wikipedia. Also It will bring disruption.
- Most sources mention the following:
- - The Gorehabba festival is celebrated by predominantly Kannada-speaking villagers.
- - The festival is celebrated in rural Karnataka.
- - The festival is celebrated in a village in Tamil Nadu that is home to Kannada-speaking locals.
- - The festival is celebrated in Gumatapura, which lies on the border of Karnataka and Tamil Nadu.
- The fourth point is the most acceptable and neutral lead (and was the original lead of the article). In this case, Gumatapura lies in a border region spanning the Talavadi taluk of Tamil Nadu and the Chamarajanagar taluk of Karnataka. Consequently, the Kannada-speaking villagers share cultural ties across the borders of both states. Wormholexx (talk) 03:37, 28 January 2026 (UTC)
- If it's celebrated in rural Karnataka, which place? name one? No articles give name of any place where this is celebrated except Gumatapura of Tamil Nadu. ReardenSemiReal (talk) 05:01, 28 January 2026 (UTC)
- Which place? Name one? - it is Gumatapura.
- @Wormholexx has clearly listed the geography of Gumatapura. Since the festival is celebrated only in this village, the article describes it as a local festival. Selecting only partial details while ignoring this clearly established context is called WP:CHERRYPICKING and against Wikipedia norms. ~2026-60992-9 (talk) 05:16, 28 January 2026 (UTC)
- I had the same question based on the news source. However, sufficient explanations and referenced sources have already been provided above. Some sources mention Karnataka and Gumatapura in Chamarajanagar. Generally, the name 'Gorehabba' is a Kannada word, and the festival is celebrated by Kannada-speaking locals. It would be great to find books about the festival and Beereshwara Swamy. The goal should be to improve the article without a selective or censored approach (see WP:SEALION). Wormholexx (talk) 07:00, 28 January 2026 (UTC)
- I agree with you @Wormholexx, The village was previously part of Karnataka, following Independence, Gumatapura was allocated to Tamil Nadu under the States Reorganisation Act, 1956, as documented in Kannada-language source. If you are not familiar with Kannada script, the sources can be translated into English using your web browser. 1, 2 & 3 ~2026-46966-2 (talk) 07:54, 28 January 2026 (UTC)
- English translations of Kannada sources refer to it as 'Gumtapur village of Chamarajanagar district' or 'Gumtapur village, which is located on the border of Chamarajanagar district.' Wormholexx (talk) 08:29, 28 January 2026 (UTC)
- Correct. Exactly the same was captured in this version. However, many editors vandalized the page and deviated from the article's notability. ~2026-46966-2 (talk) 08:52, 28 January 2026 (UTC)
- This is the version you are pointing to. Classic example of Sealioning I guess.
- The version you have pointed to is neither factual nor neutral. And one of the vandals with a similar temporary account repeatedly pushed such content.
- "Gorehabba (Kannada: ಗೋರೆಹಬ್ಬ) is a festival[1] celebrated in the village of Gumatapura, Karnataka, India.[2][3][4] This festival is celebrated a day after Diwali's Bali Padyami, whereby the festival involves participants playfully throwing or smearing cow dung on one another as part of a local ritual tradition.[5][6][7] It is also celebrated by Kannada-speaking Kuruba people in the similarly named Gumtapuram village in Thalavadi taluk of Erode district in Tamil Nadu.[8][9][10][11][12] It is dedicated to Beerappa, a local god worshipped by Kurubas.[5][13][14]"
- Anyway, useless discussion the currently published version by @Wormholexx is acceptable and care should be taken to not revert it. And also carefully threaded to ensure Sealioning doesn't happen either. ReardenSemiReal (talk) 09:02, 28 January 2026 (UTC)
- Sealioning is not tolerated on Wikipedia in any form. The article was written in a neutral point of view and verified by experienced editors.
- All evidence from third-party sources has now been provided. We need to mention the location history and etymology.
- By the way, I see, you are only sealioning the other editors on the same talk page. ~2026-46966-2 (talk) 11:01, 28 January 2026 (UTC)
- Agreed: The article currently lacks essential background information, it should include a brief history of Gumatapura as well as an explanation of the cultural significance of the festival as per WP:N.
- 2026-52343-AA (talk) 06:38, 29 January 2026 (UTC)
- This guy recently filed a phony CSD G10 nomination of a similar page, Draft:Wisconsin cow chip throw. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 12:07, 29 January 2026 (UTC)
- No, the page was created to spread hate. Please review the discussion on this article’s talk page. 2026-52343-AA (talk) 12:21, 29 January 2026 (UTC)
- This guy recently filed a phony CSD G10 nomination of a similar page, Draft:Wisconsin cow chip throw. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 12:07, 29 January 2026 (UTC)
- Correct. Exactly the same was captured in this version. However, many editors vandalized the page and deviated from the article's notability. ~2026-46966-2 (talk) 08:52, 28 January 2026 (UTC)
- English translations of Kannada sources refer to it as 'Gumtapur village of Chamarajanagar district' or 'Gumtapur village, which is located on the border of Chamarajanagar district.' Wormholexx (talk) 08:29, 28 January 2026 (UTC)
- I agree with you @Wormholexx, The village was previously part of Karnataka, following Independence, Gumatapura was allocated to Tamil Nadu under the States Reorganisation Act, 1956, as documented in Kannada-language source. If you are not familiar with Kannada script, the sources can be translated into English using your web browser. 1, 2 & 3 ~2026-46966-2 (talk) 07:54, 28 January 2026 (UTC)
- If it's celebrated in rural Karnataka, which place? name one? No articles give name of any place where this is celebrated except Gumatapura of Tamil Nadu. ReardenSemiReal (talk) 05:01, 28 January 2026 (UTC)
- Again a temporary account has started to disrupt against what was agreed here. ReardenSemiReal (talk) 12:05, 29 January 2026 (UTC)
- Can you please tell me where it is agreed? Please do not make your own statements. 2026-52343-AA (talk) 12:10, 29 January 2026 (UTC)
- ^ "Gumatapuram villagers wallow in cow dung with reverence". The Hindu. 2016-11-01. Retrieved 2026-01-27.
- ^ "Gorehabba Festival In Gumatapura Village, Tamil Nadu". Reuters Connect. 2025-10-23. Retrieved 2026-01-27.