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Requested move 9 May 2023

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The result of the move request was: Withdrawn. Maiacosis (talk) 18:46, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]


KEXP-FMKEXPWP:COMMONNAME. "KEXP" is the station branding/name of the larger nonprofit, which has been involved in efforts additional to the FM broadcasting, and I thought it might make sense to use the more general name. The station appears to have been more keen about branding itself as a general arts organization,[1][2] and anecdotally I have never heard locals use the full callsign (apart in the context of its hourly IDs). KEXP is currently a redirect to the current article. Maiacosis (talk) 18:39, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Normally I would agree as your reasoning is logical; however for a US radio station, it would stick out as an exception to the rule that pages are always named after the official call sign, which in this case does include "-FM". If the non-profit is notable enough for its own article, maybe it should have one, but otherwise I think it's fine as is. — Garrett W. { } 18:23, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you @Garrettw87! I overlooked WP:RADIONAMING earlier and your perspective is really helpful. I'll withdraw the request move. Maiacosis (talk) 18:40, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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References

  1. ^ "About Slingshot, Public Radio's Emerging Artist Spotlight". NPR. 2018-01-09.
  2. ^ "About KEXP". KEXP. Retrieved 9 May 2023.

In case Dow Constantine ever becomes governor...

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Excised this at FAC:

A KCMU alumnus of this period, who began with the station after KZAM folded,[1] went onto a career in public office: Dow Constantine, later a Washington state legislator and King County Executive, whose future wife worked as a volunteer DJ.[2]

Sammi Brie (she/her • tc) 20:27, 25 August 2024 (UTC) [reply]

References

  1. ^ Zwickel, Jonathan (December 23, 2015). "Some Impossible Vision". City Arts Magazine. Archived from the original on July 27, 2024. Retrieved August 14, 2024.

Coordinate error

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~2025-37111-44 (talk) 11:39, 29 November 2025 (UTC) Love you[reply]

You haven't said what you think is wrong with the coordinates in the article, and they appear to be correct (per the FCC Web site). If you still think that there is an error, you'll need to give a clear explanation of what it is. Deor (talk) 12:10, 29 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@ ~2025-37190-88 (talk) 13:21, 29 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 1 December 2025

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KEXP-FMKEXP – The WP:COMMONNAME for this station/organization is obviously "KEXP" without the "-FM" suffix. The Wikipedia:Article titles policy would support to using "KEXP".

WP:RADIONAMING is a Wikiproject home page, not a policy document. It links to the guideline Wikipedia:Naming conventions (broadcasting), which states:

Articles in [...] the United States are almost universally call sign-titled—that is, the title is the current call sign issued by a national regulatory authority. In these countries, all such stations are issued a call sign. There may, of course, be cases where a group of stations has a common name title. (emphasis mine)

The guideline has a clear provision to allow common name article titles even in regions where call sign titles are the norm.

A move to "KEXP" would use the common name title while still utilizing the shortened, more common form of the callsign. The suffix present in the official call sign is not needed for disambiguation. "KEXP" also better represents the overall parent "arts organization" described in this article that happens to run two radio stations; "KEXP-FM" and "KEXC" could exist as sub-sections in the article. PK-WIKI (talk) 18:08, 1 December 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. Jeffrey34555 (talk) 18:09, 8 December 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. TarnishedPathtalk 10:13, 18 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Call sign titling can trip even experienced users up. It may be the biggest deviation from standard article titling policies on the project. The passage in NCBC you cite is what supports a common name title for things like Texas Public Radio, Channel X Radio, or NBC Montana — where the components mostly don't deserve separate articles. What's unique about what you propose is that it asks something I have admittedly never contemplated, is "what happens when the common name is the station call sign without a suffix?". The FCC would not assign the base call sign KEXP to something else (which would have to be an AM radio station or a TV station) without the consent of Friends of KEXP. If this were any other topic area, I agree: we'd be at a base title of "KEXP" by now. And, of course, KEXP redirects here. (Note: the infobox needs to keep the -FM regardless of action taken, because it has downstream links that depend on a proper call sign.) (Note 2: KEXC is not a candidate for merging or becoming a section. That's its own story.) I am skeptical because of the way this topic area functions, but I am also readily listening because of the unique circumstances here. Sammi Brie (she/her · t · c) 18:17, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I didn't mean to suggest that KEXC should be merged; rather the "KEXP" arts organization article should contain a "Radio stations" section with summary subsections + links for KEXP-FM and KEXC. This would put the article in similar territory to the Texas Public Radio etc. articles you mention. Article KEXP, titled with the common name, would be the parent organization that operates several radio stations + other ventures. KEXC deserves its own article. Radio station KEXP-FM doesn't (?) deserve its own separate article, would redirect and exist within the wider KEXP article like KPAC (FM) does today. PK-WIKI (talk) 18:39, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    While I'm refraining from a direct opinion at this time, I did want to point out another public radio case where the line between "common name because this is about an organization" and "call sign title because this is about a radio station" has been blurred: our article at WAMC is written as if it were an article on WAMC-FM in Albany, New York, which is the flagship of an organization simply named "WAMC" and a regional public radio network that is also commonly named "WAMC" (but also at times referred to as "WAMC Northeast Public Radio" or "Northeast Public Radio") — yet is titled as if the article were about the WAMC organization and network that happens to operate, and be centered around, WAMC-FM. The main differences there are that WAMC operates more stations/transmitters in its network than the Friends of KEXP do, many but not all of them without separate notability (making WAMC even more akin to Texas Public Radio et.al. than KEXP might be), and that there is an unsuffixed WAMC (AM) as well with an article (it is also in Albany and even part of the "WAMC" network, but has a separate article because that station had its own history prior to 2003—and the AM station is the reason why the flagship FM transmitter even modified its call sign to WAMC-FM in the first place). While not an entirely identical situation to this one, this does demonstrate that the main objection to the failed 2023 RM—the rule that pages are always named after the official call sign—isn't as ironclad when the article subject is as much if not more about the organization surrounding a radio station than the actual licensed radio station itself. WCQuidditch 17:41, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. I don't think this page move is constructive. The original page title wasn't inappropriate. Also, WP:TITLECON should be noted. Common names are in practice used only when they are substantially different from their legal/formal names. These two names are almost identical in nature. I don't think this page move is necessary at all. Cfls (talk) 15:54, 11 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    WP:TITLECON is an essay, not a policy or guideline. I'd also say that "KEXP" is more consistent with other radio station names, which do not have an "FM" unless needed for disambiguation. It's an aberration that the official radio call sign is "KEXP-FM". I don't think Common names are in practice used only when they are substantially different from their legal/formal names has any backing in policy. PK-WIKI (talk) 20:38, 11 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Agree. Well said. Andrewa (talk) 07:50, 28 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per nom. WP:COMMONNAME is the guiding policy here (not TITLECON which, as noted, is an essay and draws its inspiration from WP:CONSISTENT which is only one of the five criteria, and doesn't need to be evaluated if a clear COMMONNAME exists). That the common name is the call sign minus FM might be a slightly different case from others, but not unheard of. All-in-all, I see little reason not to make the move.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:26, 17 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Note: WikiProject Seattle, WikiProject Washington, and WikiProject Radio Stations have been notified of this discussion. TarnishedPathtalk 10:15, 18 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
> Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (broadcasting)#Past discussion of call sign article titles vs. common name?
This was essentially decided by the WP:BOLD edit of one user over 20 years ago. It has seemingly never gone through an RFC or much real discussion.
The "guideline" at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (broadcasting) is perhaps instead a WP:LOCALCONSENSUS that is due for examination and possible changes. "Consensus among a limited group of editors, at one place and time, cannot override community consensus on a wider scale." I don't see any such widespread consensus to override the project-wide preference to use the WP:COMMONNAME. PK-WIKI (talk) 20:29, 18 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
As someone who has probably been, since the start of this decade, the biggest instigator of bringing broadcasting's norms in line with the encyclopedia—in cases where they had been so out of line we had to have RfCs to squash the bad practices—call sign titling for American radio stations is one of the few things I will defend to the end in the vast majority of cases. And here's why.
  • US stations change names and format frequently enough in some cases that it can make your head spin. Call sign titling discourages the creation of multiple articles on the history of one radio station.
  • Call sign titling prescribes one title per page and ensures that every page has an appropriate title. That sometimes is not the case in common name titling. K-Love has many stations that broadcast its programming, including dozens that have their own independent histories, from WPLJ to WXKY. Do we have 100+ pages titled, e.g. "K-Love (Stanford, Kentucky)"?
  • There are many routine moves in this topic area that require page mover permissions already. Frequently, we override redirects from KAAA to KBBB because KCCC has just become KAAA. Or we have round-robin swaps. Imagine if we depended on common name titling to handle them.
Common name titling in American radio, more than in any other country, is opening Pandora's Box to permit messy, inconsistent titles. The proposed KEXP move is a rare exception, because it relies on the base (no-suffix) call sign being the common name, which is not always the case. Sammi Brie (she/her · t · c) 21:17, 18 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support as KEXP is the common name of the station in its broadcast area and branding and there is no need for disambiguation with an AM or television station with the same callsign. I think the risk of a future callsign change is low, but even if it wasn't I think WP:CRYSTAL applies here (yes I know that's mostly for the content of articles) because a) we should not diverge from the common name for a hypothetical future event and b) we would still have to move the page in that future event if we decided to keep KEXP-FM as the title. DJ Cane (he/him) (Talk) 21:42, 18 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support as the common name, and I note this reverses
21:26, 29 October 2007 JPG-GR talk contribs block 21 bytes +21 moved KEXP to KEXP-FM over redirect: Official callsign, per FCC database.
for which no valid rationale was given. Also note that the proposed name is trivially more concise so cannot possibly be more common than the current name. Andrewa (talk) 07:59, 28 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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