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Article review
[edit]It has been a little bit since this article has been reviewed, so I took a look and noticed the following:
- There are lots of uncited statements, including entire paragraphs.
- At over 14,000 words, some sections of this article are too detailed, making the article WP:TOOBIG. Can some of this information be spun out, summarised more effectively, or trimmed?
Should this article go to WP:GAR? Z1720 (talk) 17:57, 1 July 2025 (UTC)
- It seems that most of the sections already have spinout articles, so what needs to happen is checking everything here is on the subarticles, and trimming. CMD (talk) 03:57, 2 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Chipmunkdavis: Are you or any other editor interested in making the appropriate edits? If not, would you like to bring this to GAR to get more attention and perhaps someone will want to fix it there? Of course, there is no obligation for either. Z1720 (talk) 15:42, 9 July 2025 (UTC)
- Unfortunately I think tackling the edits carefully would require more time than I have in the next few months, but I can help with a GAR. That said, I'd wait another week or so. CMD (talk) 16:17, 10 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Chipmunkdavis: Are you or any other editor interested in making the appropriate edits? If not, would you like to bring this to GAR to get more attention and perhaps someone will want to fix it there? Of course, there is no obligation for either. Z1720 (talk) 15:42, 9 July 2025 (UTC)
GA Reassessment
[edit]The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
- Article (edit | visual edit | history) · Article talk (edit | history) · Watch • • Most recent review
- Result: Delisted. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:21, 23 September 2025 (UTC)
As noted on the talkpage, this is a very extensive article that includes within that extent unsourced text. Even within the apparently sourced text, there are issues, for example the Regional government source does not cover all its text. Other issues include the recent history section entering WP:PROSELINE, other areas having similar dated statements, and the overall article going into MOS:OVERSECTION. The WP:LEAD contains unique information rather than being a summary of the article. The length (>14,000 words) suggests this article does not "stay focused", and contributes to issues such as the unsourced text and the oversectioning. These issues would take significant work to fix. CMD (talk) 03:04, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
- This article was pretty lengthy when I last looked at it, and is now considerably lengthier. I don't mind that too much at GA level (quite another matter at FAC) but unsourced additions are another matter and decidedly a no-no. Tim riley talk 13:49, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
- @CMD, Tim riley: I have tried to fix WP:PROSELINE and the lead (although it probably should be rewritten); I'll try to fix the other issues soon. The article is probably a bit too long, but not by a lot: Boston (FA) contains just under 10,000 words, while Paris contains just over 14,000. Some of the difference is probably because there are more things to write about (as the capital city of France); I have proposed the "Culture" and "Infrastructure" sections to be split. Alpha Beta Delta Lambda (talk) 18:06, 26 August 2025 (UTC)
- Progress for cleanup by section (for my convenience):
- @CMD, Tim riley: I have tried to fix WP:PROSELINE and the lead (although it probably should be rewritten); I'll try to fix the other issues soon. The article is probably a bit too long, but not by a lot: Boston (FA) contains just under 10,000 words, while Paris contains just over 14,000. Some of the difference is probably because there are more things to write about (as the capital city of France); I have proposed the "Culture" and "Infrastructure" sections to be split. Alpha Beta Delta Lambda (talk) 18:06, 26 August 2025 (UTC)
Section Progress Comment Lead
Not doneNeeds to be rewritten. Etymology
DoneCan't see any citation problem (if there is please tag it). History
Not doneQ few claims need citation, some claims probably need to be moved to History of Paris, a claim needs to be clarified. Geography
DoneSourced and enough coverage. Administration
Not doneA paragraph without cite, there are probably more claims without reference. Cityscape
Not doneSeveral claims without cite. Demographics
Maybe doneIt appears well sourced but haven't thoroughly checked yet. Economics Education Culture
Not doneProbably needs split and actually needs to address the culture of the city. Sport
Mostly doneSpin-off from the culture section, mostly sourced but the Rugby League part may need some more. Infrastructure
Not doneProbably needs a split, and if not OVERSECTION needs to be addressed. Also there are some claims without sources. International relations
Not doneNeeds some sources and cleanup, but not an overhaul.
- @Alpha Beta Delta Lambda: are you still interested in working on this? Z1720 (talk) 13:55, 20 September 2025 (UTC)
- @Z1720 Sorry, no. You can close this GAR as demoted now. Alpha Beta Delta Lambda (talk) 21:13, 20 September 2025 (UTC)
Proposal to split
[edit]I think the Culture and Infrastructure sections need to be split out, as the article is too long and these two sections are much longer than in similar articles, like Boston. @ThePromenader, Z1720, Chipmunkdavis, and Tim riley: Alpha Beta Delta Lambda (talk) 18:02, 26 August 2025 (UTC)
- There already is a Culture of Paris article that was split from this page in 2009, but strangely it isn't linked here. Not sure what the history is. CMD (talk) 00:50, 27 August 2025 (UTC)
- It's just that I didn't see it. That article has questionable sourcing though. I think the culture section still needs to be split out to somewhere. Alpha Beta Delta Lambda (talk) 07:55, 27 August 2025 (UTC)
- This article has the classic issue of not actually saying anything about the city's culture as a whole, due to having only subtopics. The main article doesn't have much to draw off either. CMD (talk) 11:22, 27 August 2025 (UTC)
- It's just that I didn't see it. That article has questionable sourcing though. I think the culture section still needs to be split out to somewhere. Alpha Beta Delta Lambda (talk) 07:55, 27 August 2025 (UTC)
- Might there be more culture (and infrastructure) in Paris than Boston? Johnbod (talk) 02:56, 27 August 2025 (UTC)
- That's probably right. Alpha Beta Delta Lambda (talk) 07:49, 27 August 2025 (UTC)
- I agree with Johnbod. However, since Paris has a lot more notable information, it is more likely to have notable daughter articles (like Culture of Paris) where information from the Paris article can be moved to. Therefore, I think these sections should be shorter with a hatnote linking to the daughter article where interested readers can get more detailed information. Z1720 (talk) 14:05, 27 August 2025 (UTC)
- The culture part should be exported to Culture of Paris and then cut down. The infrastructure page can be created and then split out to Infrastructure of Paris. I believe there has been consensus for a month now, and we do the request as no opposition has arisen. Thanks, 🇪🇭🇵🇸🇸🇩 Easternsahara 🇪🇭🇵🇸🇸🇩 15:51, 5 October 2025 (UTC)
I see Tpbradbury copied content from Paris#Culture to Culture of Paris in November, but a split was not completed correctly. There should not be two pages that are copy-paste duplicates of each other. Can you or someone else please perform the appropriate WP:PROPERSPLIT steps, namely using summary style at the main article? Otherwise I will revert/redirect the subarticle since such duplication is not appropriate. But honestly, I think this is all pretty appropriate information to keep in the main article rather than split. There are already split subarticles representing Art in Paris, List of museums in Paris, Writers in Paris, Music in Paris, French cuisine, Fashion in Paris, Libraries in Paris, and others, so this main article is already using summary style. Culture of France also already exists and covers a lot of similar information]] So it's not helpful to cut off this section any further and create additional redundancy. Reywas92Talk 18:35, 29 December 2025 (UTC)
- If such duplication is not appropriate, the remedial action should be to cut it here rather than at the more dedicated page. Further, no additional redundancy was created, Culture of Paris has existed since 2009. CMD (talk) 21:30, 29 December 2025 (UTC)
- A split just dilutes the main article, so let's keep this as is. Paris is culture, as well as history and much more. Randy Kryn (talk) 23:24, 29 December 2025 (UTC)
Population
[edit]The administrative area of Paris of meaningfulness. Paris is the most populated urban area in Western Europe and that information should be given.
List of largest cities Parisiense (talk) 09:58, 2 October 2025 (UTC)
Lead sentence - pronunciation
[edit]Why is there a note at the start of the lede telling readers how to pronounce Paris, in English and in French? Despite being a note, it still looks to be unnecessary clutter. MOS:LEADPRON gives clear guidance not to do this. Its pronunciation in English is as obvious as it can be, and it's pronunciation in French is of minimal relevance to this English article. I'm asking this question because the pronunciation guide in this article was mentioned in another talk page discussion I was involved in.Roger 8 Roger (talk) 02:05, 11 October 2025 (UTC)

