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Dusun people

Hi Native99girl. I noticed that you've made some changes to the Dusun people article. Based on your edit notes, "the sabahan dusun and the barito dusun are not related to one another. the former was being classified by the bruneis, while the latter by the dutch administration - a mere coincidence. a seperate wikipage should be created under the name dusun (barito)", it would be helpful if you have the sources that mention or support this as I'm not aware that the Malaysian Dusun people and the Indonesian Dusun people are two separate ethnic group of people defined by modern political borders. Or are you trying to imply that the Sabahan Dusuns and the Barito Dusuns are merely two separate sub-ethnic group under a common parent-ethnic (Dusunic) group? Look forward to hearing from you soon. Thanks. --Jeblat (talk) 13:53, 10 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, hopefully this is not too late, I just realised your post. Well, they are of two separate family to be honest, the former belong to the Ot Danum group, while the later coming from the Murut family. --Native99girl (talk) 08:50, 1 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

October 2017

@Native99girl: Read this and this, the entire thing from start to finish. Just because you claim that they make up less than 1% of the population doesn't mean there are no Malaysian Indians there. Since when did 0.3% or 0.2% mean 0%? Can you answer that? If you can prove to me that 0.9% and anything less than that means 0%, then I'll revert my edit. That's not possible. Your edits are literally telling me that you think the number 6000 actually equals 0. How does that make sense? Find me a source that explicitly says that there are zero Malaysian Indians in West Malaysia and then come back to me. Until then, stop edit warring. If you continue, I will take this to the Admin Noticeboard because this is disruptive editing. (121.214.123.72 (talk) 09:36, 20 October 2017 (UTC))[reply]

Practically all of the ethnic groups and expats are available in each states in Malaysia, there's even a small number of natives bornean in the small town Sungai Petani (mostly government servants), even the local-born pakistanis, japanese, koreans can be found in each and in every state in Malaysia. Would they constitute a nationwide minority?

This getting out of hand, please do report this issue to the admin and let them decide.--Native99girl (talk) 00:52, 21 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Copying within Wikipedia

Hi Native99girl! Thank you for your edits to Iban culture. It looks like you've copied or moved text from Dayak people into that page, and while you are welcome to re-use the content, Wikipedia's licensing requires that you provide attribution to the original contributor(s). When copying within Wikipedia, this is supplied in an edit summary at the page into which you've copied content, disclosing the copying and linking to the copied page, e.g., copied content from [[page name]]; see that page's history for attribution. If you've copied material between pages before, even if it was a long time ago, please provide attribution for this duplication if it has not already been supplied by another editor. You can read more about the procedure and the reasons at Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia. Thanks! DanCherek (talk) 11:42, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Awanama?

Awanama, is that you? Northheavensky (talk) 12:48, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I don't have any idea of the user.

On the other hand, we can see that the Dayak people article is focusing on the Iban people, the article should be neutral and reflect the pan-Dayak identity instead of having on a special emphasis of a certain group.--Native99girl (talk) 06:25, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you

Thank you for the edit on Borneo and Dayak-related articles. They were always a bit of a mess and there's rather too few people interested in the topic, so Im very happy to see an active editor on the topic. I myself often edit on the topic but usually focused on more certain historical figure/event and the region's towns or cities in general.

I wish there's Borneo barnstar or something, I would love to award that. Hopefully we can cooperate on these topics in the future. Cheers!

Nyanardsan (talk) 07:02, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the lovely message,

Maybe we can start with the Dayak people article. --Native99girl (talk) 07:19, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Begin with the historical section, Nyanardsan|. --Native99girl (talk) 12:05, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Native99girl Yes, Im planning to write a lot on the recently created Dayak political history. Lots of unreferenced sections for now. I'll do major expansion once Im less busy with college. Cheers! Nyanardsan (talk) 05:59, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That would be amazing Nyanardsan, I can't wait to see your work. --Native99girl (talk) 06:03, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

tekpi

no, tekpi is not from indonesia, if it from indonesia, it’s chabang not tekpi, if you want say tekpi from indonesia, go make about chabang Anghonam (talk) 10:48, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Reference on Tekpi article.

What reference that say Tekpi is from Indonesia in around 400AD-700AD? Anghonam (talk) 10:56, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The article also noted that Chabang and Tekpi is similar.

Quote from a Malaysian article "Tekpi atau juga disebut sai atau tjabang" (Tekpi also known as sai or tjabang) - reference, paragraph 2

A Japanese article that noted its origin - "Its origin may date back to the impact of the Hindu culture in Indonesia between AD300 - AD400" - reference in page 188, last paragraph

--Native99girl (talk) 11:28, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wikidata

Halo Native99girl, Saya lihat artikel-artikel Anda banyak yang belum di-interwiki-kan ke Wikidata & saya sudah meng-interwiki-kan ke Wikidata seluruh artikel yang sebelumnya belum di-interwiki-kan ke Wikidata tersebut. Mohon lain kali agar Anda sendiri yang meng-interwiki-kan artikel buatan Anda ke Wikidata karena hal tersebut dapat membantu orang untuk mengetahui apakah artikel tersebut sudah dibuat di Wikipedia bahasa Indonesia atau tidak.

Untuk informasi lebih lanjut mengenai Wikidata, silahkan lihat ini: Wikipedia:Wikidata --Glorious Engine (talk) 23:59, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Terima kasih atas bantuan dan nasehatnya Glorious Engine --Native99girl (talk) 01:29, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Dayak people

I noticed your effort on tidying up the Dayak people article. I have also cleared some repeated section (hope it doesn't bother your momentum). Keep up the good work! :) --د بڠساون (talk) 03:24, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the lovely support. --Native99girl (talk) 06:01, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Copying within Wikipedia requires attribution (second request)

Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. It appears that you copied or moved text from Dayak people into Iban people. While you are welcome to re-use Wikipedia's content, here or elsewhere, Wikipedia's licensing does require that you provide attribution to the original contributor(s). When copying within Wikipedia, this is supplied at minimum in an edit summary at the page into which you've copied content, disclosing the copying and linking to the copied page, e.g., copied content from [[page name]]; see that page's history for attribution. It is good practice, especially if copying is extensive, to also place a properly formatted {{copied}} template on the talk pages of the source and destination. Please provide attribution for this duplication if it has not already been supplied by another editor, and if you have copied material between pages before, even if it was a long time ago, you should provide attribution for that also. You can read more about the procedure and the reasons at Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia. Thank you. — Diannaa (talk) 14:00, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the clarification (on the summary format).--Native99girl (talk) 02:25, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

List of Dayak people moved to draftspace

An article you recently created, List of Dayak people, is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. (t · c) buidhe 01:13, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Noted buidhe, as per-requested I added relevant url and sources for the article. Kindly check the draft. Thank you.--Native99girl (talk) 04:49, 27 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Overseas Chinese in Indonesia

Hi, I notice that you reverted my edit in the article Overseas Chinese. I would like to clarify that the national census is not accurate, as it does not count many ethnic Chinese who does not identify as such. On the other hand, the reference I provided does state the estimation of number of population of ethnic Chinese in many countries, including Indonesia. Thank you. Cal1407 (talk) 08:55, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the feedback, however the data is the official census record by the government. It is a primary source. However, I appreciate your effort by providing supporting details on the potential number of the population in the Chinese Indonesian article.--Native99girl (talk) 08:59, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Dayak political movements (?) or Dayak in politics alone

@Native99girl Hi, apologize for asking this. The longer I think and read it, I feel that Dayak political movements should be Dayak in politics like previously. This is because Dayak involvements are not necessarily for Pan-Dayakism cause alone, especially during early 1900s where it is more closely aligned to Indonesian nationalism. On 1950-1960s, some Dayak elites like Oevang Oeray and Tjilik Riwut are not that interested in pan-Dayakism issue and more inclined towards Sukarnoism. And even today, many Dayak governors, regents, mayors, military officials etc (at least in Indonesian side) are more aligned towards their own political parties and usually there's not much need for pan-Dayakism due to Dayak elites already dominating the government, hence they are working within their own interests.

I am not familiar with Malaysian side, but this is seems the case in Indonesia. So do you mind if I move it back? Or if you disagree, we can discuss this ;; Apologize for asking. Thanks~ Nyanardsan (talk) 07:19, 4 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the feedback and insights Nyanardsan.

Agree, I believe we can move it back as-per the clarification given. --Native99girl (talk) 10:50, 4 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A brownie for you!

Thanks for creating Dayak in politics! Good one! ✠ SunDawn ✠ (contact) 01:27, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You're so lovely, thank you. --Native99girl (talk) 15:18, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Dayak languagesDayak languages

While this is currently just a redirect, you should definitely add it to your watchlist after the antics of the very prolific long-term abuser @Eiskrahablo. Before I have reverted it, it looked like this[1]. There is much potential to turn it into a decent overview article about the linguistic diversity of the Dayak people. You might give it a try :) Austronesier (talk) 20:55, 20 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

An interesting topic indeed, thank you Austronesier. --Native99girl (talk) 08:13, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ngajat

Hi... do you mind to look up on "Ngajat" article, since new editor just recently made significant changes there. i am not that familiar with Iban culture, so i can't really commenting there. thank you. Ckfasdf (talk) 15:33, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Noted Ckfasdf, I will cross-check the sources for clarification.--Native99girl (talk) 04:23, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Chinese indonesians

My own prediction give result at 3 million ppl. Thank you for contributing.

Here is result from [2] Great achievement (talk) 07:34, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikiproject Indonesia

Hi Native99girl, can I interest you in joining WikiProject Indonesia? It's a subject-area collaboration on Indonesia related topics, which you seem to be interested in. Grumpylawnchair (talk) 22:57, 23 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Accurate Information

Hi, I noticed that your edit in Iban was not accompanied by a valid source (third and second party sources). Wikipedia requires reliable references to ensure accurate information. Make sure to use direct sources from Benedict Sandin and other historians for accuracy. Any factual error will be considered fake news and can be prosecuted as a multimedia abuse of spreading fake news. Please double-check your edits. If it continues, I will report it to the administrator. Menuaibansarawak (talk) 01:22, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Menuaibansarawak

Your claims are unfounded. The edit in question is supported by multiple academic sources from credible institutions and published scholars. Dismissing these as “fake news” is both inappropriate and inaccurate. Below are the sources I used, with specific page references for your verification:

1. Chong Shin – Iban as a Koine Language in Sarawak

Associate Professor Dr. Chong Shin (Institut Alam dan Tamadun Melayu, Universiti Kebangsaan Malaysia) writes:

Page 103:

"Several previous linguistic studies carried out by Asmah Haji Omar (1981), Rahim Aman (1997), Chong Shin and James T. Collins (2019) corroborate this statement. The oral histories of the Iban and their genealogies recount that the Iban in Sarawak came down from Upper Kapuas watershed, Western Kalimantan.”

Page 104:

"Using oral sources, B. Sandin (1968) has plotted the early migration route of the Ibanfrom Kapuas watershed to western areas in Sarawak. He claims that the Iban began to cross the Kapuas Hulu Range – at present the international border line between Western Kalimantan (Indonesia) and Sarawak (Malaysia) – into Sarawak in the middle of the sixteenth century. These pioneers were believed to have arrived in the Batang Lupar drainage-basin and settled along the Undop River. Within the span of five generations, they migrated to the north, east, and west, occupying the tributaries of the Saribas, Batang Sadong, Batang Layar, and Batang Lupar.”

Page 106:

"In an article about when the Iban first began to take an interest in beads and beading, M. Heppell (2020) also mentions the Ibanic speakers’ migration history in Western Kalimantan.”

Page 107:

Additionally, it should be noted that I reference my table for the Ibanic regional groups in West Kalimantan, as shown in Table 1 on page 107. In addition to Dr. Chong Shin's insights from his fieldwork, he also provides a detailed list of the Ibanic regional groups in West Kalimantan. Notably, the Ibanic subgroup around Sentarum Lake identifies itself as Iban.

2. Jusy Javeril – Ngepan Batang Ai (Iban Women Traditional Attire), page 5

A Universiti Malaysia Sarawak-published study includes the following, quoting Dr. Peter M. Kedit, former Curator and Director of the Sarawak Museum:

“According to Peter Kedit, a member of the Ethnology Sarawak Museum, the Iban people emigrated from East Borneo to Sarawak in the middle of the 16th century. A historical legend said that the Iban originated from Kapuas, Kalimantan, Indonesia. They migrated using the main river routes from Lubok Antu (Kalimantan border) to northern Sarawak.”

3. Clifford Sather – Migration and Its Alternatives among the Iban of Sarawak, Chapter 2, page 15

Dr. Clifford Sather, who holds a PhD in Social Anthropology from Harvard University, summarizes Benedict Sandin’s historical work as follows:

“Using these oral sources, Benedict Sandin has written the history of the early Iban migrations from the Kapuas into the western areas of Sarawak. Beginning with what were probably the first major movements, about sixteen generations before the present, in approximately the middle of the sixteenth century, ancestors of the Sarawak Iban population are believed to have crossed the watershed from the Kapuas drainage into the Batang Lupar drainage, first settling on the Undup River.”

4. Gregory Kiyai - Awal Peradaban Masyarakat Iban Di Tembawai Tampun Juah: Satu Penelitian Awal, page 40

Gregory Kiyai, who holds a Ph.D. in Arts Management, with research expertise in the History of Religion, Cultural History, and History of Art, and is a senior lecturer at the University of Malaya

“Hal ini telah dijelaskan oleh Bennedict Sandin (1962) bahawa perkataan “Iban” adalah merujuk kepada mensia (manusia) dalam Bahasa Iban. Menurut Pringle (1936) berdasarkan gambaran cerita legenda Orang Tau Tusut (Pakar Susurgalur), migrasi orang Iban dipercayai bermula sejak enambelas generasi yang lepas, iaitu kira- kira pada pertengahan kurun ke-16 iaitu dari Hulu Kapuas, Indonesia ke Batang Lupar." (It has been explained by Benedict Sandin (1962) that the word "Iban" refers to "mensia" (human beings) in the Iban language. According to Pringle (1936), based on the depiction in the legendary story of Orang Tau Tusut (Pakar Susurgalur), the migration of the Iban people is believed to have begun around sixteen generations ago, approximately in the mid-16th century. This migration is thought to have originated from the Upper Kapuas region in Indonesia, moving towards the Batang Lupar area in Sarawak, Malaysia.)

All these sources are legitimate academic contributions. They are not speculative and certainly not misinformation.

If this pattern of baseless accusation or removal of sourced material continues, I will escalate the matter to the administrators. Wikipedia is a collaborative platform grounded in verifiability and good faith editing, and I expect those standards to be upheld. Native99girl (talk) 04:17, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

BIAS Menuaibansarawak (talk) 11:42, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the long explanation and references provided. However, allow me to provide some clarifications and improvements to the interpretation of the sources you referenced.

1. Most of the sources used are based on oral tradition, not archaeological, epigraphic, or contemporary written records. Oral tradition is valid in the context of ethnographic and anthropological studies, but in the context of formal history, it is still considered a secondary or tertiary source. Therefore, stating something as an absolute fact based solely on oral narratives needs to be conveyed with nuance—for example, using phrases such as "according to the oral tradition of the Ibans", rather than "historical facts".

2. The interpretation of migration from Hulu Kapuas to Sarawak is not something that is universally agreed upon. It is still a dominant hypothesis, not an indisputable archaeological fact. Many scholars also consider the possibility of more complex and nonlinear origins (multidirectional migration, intermarriage, long-distance trade networks, etc.).

3. The majority of the authors referenced are from Malaysia or write within a colonial historical framework. For example, Benedict Sandin writes in a post-colonial context to reconstruct the Iban identity narrative. This does not invalidate his work, but it should be read with the awareness that it is part of a narrative building, not just objective facts.

4. Wikipedia itself emphasizes that issues that are still under debate should be written in a neutral tone, not stating one view as if it were the only truth. So, writing something like: Menuaibansarawak (talk) 11:45, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I must clarify that all the sources I’ve referenced are legitimate academic journals and works from respected historians and scholars, both from Sarawak, Malaysia, and internationally. It’s important to stress that my references are not solely based on Benedict Sandin. For example, Associate Professor Dr. Chong Shin, in his published academic journal, includes linguistic studies from renowned linguists such as Asmah Haji Omar (1981), Rahim Aman (1997), as well as from James T. Collins. Dr. Chong Shin also references material research by M. Heppell, further validating the historical claims.

These sources are credible and widely accepted in the academic community, in addition to the ones I previously listed from respected historical scholars. I stand by their accuracy. Native99girl (talk) 12:57, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

While I acknowledge the references you've presented are from academic sources, there's a strong reliance on a specific migration narrative — particularly one popularized by Benedict Sandin — which, although important, does not represent the totality of Iban oral histories across different regions. Many Iban communities, especially in Batang Ai, Julau, Kapit, and parts of northern Sarawak, carry different genealogical accounts that do not fully align with the Kapuas-centric migration theory.

It’s also worth noting that historical anthropology requires plural perspectives, especially when dealing with indigenous oral traditions. When a singular migration route is repeatedly cited without incorporating alternative genealogies or regional narratives, we risk oversimplifying a complex ethnogenesis.

Finally, legitimate criticism of sources is not equivalent to “dismissal.” The fact that several users across multiple Wikipedias (enwiki, idwiki, mswiki) have seen locally-sourced academic contributions removed without discussion could suggest systemic bias, or at the very least, overdependence on limited secondary narratives. Menuaibansarawak (talk) 13:01, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I must clarify that the sources I have referenced are not solely based on Benedict Sandin. Again, in addition to his work, I have included reputable academic contributions from Dr. Chong Shin, whose published journal incorporates linguistic studies from respected scholars such as Asmah Haji Omar (1981), Rahim Aman (1997), James T. Collins, and M. Heppel. These works are not based on Benedict Sandin but on their own research, as I have mentioned before, repeatedly.

Furthermore, I have cited materials from Universiti Malaysia Sarawak and Dr. Peter M. Kendit, the curator of the Sarawak Museum, as well as Harvard-educated Dr. Clifford Sather and senior lecturer at the University of Malaya, Gregory Kiyai.

All of these are strong and valid academic references; they are not sourced from blogs, random Facebook posts or chatgpt. In addition to Benedict Sandin, the sources include linguists, historians, and curators, all of whom possess legitimate academic qualifications.

This will be my final response on this matter. I have made every effort to ensure that the sources I’ve cited are legitimate, credible, and aligned with the Wikipedia entry. If you choose not to accept these academic sources from various highly respected historians, academicians, and linguists, that is your prerogative. However, if these legitimate academic sources continue to be deleted, as you have done previously according to your personal preferences, I will be compelled to report the matter to the administrators. Thank you for your understanding. Native99girl (talk) 16:05, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The individuals I cited are not random or obscure figures—they are recognized scholars, historians, and linguists, many with decades of field experience, specifically, they doing their blogs in Iban language with pure history. Rejecting their work because it doesn’t fit a pre-constructed narrative is not only intellectually dishonest, but also violates the core principles of Wikipedia—neutrality, verifiability, and the use of reliable sources.

If your standard of “valid” only includes sources from a specific national background while ignoring peer-reviewed local Iban research, then that itself becomes a form of bias.

Again, I have used multiple, independent academic sources from different backgrounds—not just from Malaysia universities but also local Iban experts who have studied Borneo ethnography for years. If such diversity of sources is still being disregarded, I have no choice but to escalate this issue further.

Let’s not pretend that a Wikipedia article should be built solely on national sentiment—it should be built on verifiable, scholarly evidence, regardless of who published it. Menuaibansarawak (talk) 22:52, 15 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

AI

Hi - are you using AI for your edits here? If so, can you mention:

What tool(s) you are using, and what versions
What prompts, features, and process you are doing
What review you are doing of the output

Thank you. Gnomingstuff (talk) 22:23, 6 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Gnomingstuff, thanks for checking. I’ve been using Perplexity mainly for research support. Please correct me if I’m mistaken, but is it acceptable to use such a tool on Wikipedia?

I understand the concern, as some tools can include unsupported information. I’ve been careful to double-check the details and appreciate your feedback. I will review my edits again to make sure everything is accurate. Native99girl (talk) 13:43, 8 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the transparency, it's really appreciated (seriously, it is). Right now there's not any hard policy against using AI tools on Wikipedia, although it's recommended (WP:LLMDISCLOSE) to include what you used in the edit summary, and in general the content needs a lot of review since it's really common for the output to introduce subtle errors, promotional/non-neutral tone, or "original research" interpretations of sources that are more just-the-facts.

Also, apologies again for the screwup on the other article. Gnomingstuff (talk) 19:58, 9 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No worries, I understand you have good intentions in maintaining Wikipedia’s quality. I really appreciate your guidance and feedback on WP:LLMDISCLOSE and I’ll make sure to keep those points in mind for future edits. Thanks again! Native99girl (talk) 23:45, 10 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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