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MerseyTravel

Hi all,

Thought i'd just make sure everyone is aware, Merseytravel is rebranding as Transport for Liverpool City Region (TfLCR), so articles etc may need to be changed.

I've already added a note in Merseytravel, but we might need to go through and redirect the article etc.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj7djx0dy9no Jade • Talk • Contributions 02:36, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@NeoJade, I am not aware tbh, and I hate it lol. The website is still Merseytravel so any change now may be a bit too early. But usually should go through WP:NAMECHANGES, so if like three sources generally use the new name without mentioning the rename, then I'd argue it can be moved, best through an WP:RM. DankJae 10:17, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at the source it states the rename has not taken place yet, so a bit early. A crest and flag are to be by the end of the year, but no exact date for the actual rename yet. So no moving yet. DankJae 10:21, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think its going to be more of a thing where new signage will go by the new name and will just slowly replace old stuff. Totally speculation but thats what I'm reading from the articles published about this so far. Jade • Talk • Contributions 11:42, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@NeoJade, still the website has not changed, so once it has and then some sources use the new name generally, then a RM can be called IMO. So a few months roughly, probably this year still. Wikipedia in the end follows what sources use not signage. DankJae 11:46, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I put the correct new name fro Merseytravel but it was revered by a disruptive editor. 143.58.246.170 (talk) 10:46, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Consistently labelling an editor disruptive is getting you close to breaching WP:AGF - I suggest you cease now. Unless you have a source that the rebrand has already taken place, there's no reason for the links to be changed. Danners430 (talk) 10:51, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Do not slap WPs at me, as if you are right and I am wrong. You are out of order in many ways. By wanting infactuals in the article and misleading sentences you should not be editing. Sort yourself out. 143.58.246.170 (talk) 11:15, 19 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Lede

Now that the sockpuppetry has ended and things have calmed down... does anyone have any objection to changing the lede to an altered version of what the duck proposed? if I recall correctly, the only issues were to do with the inclusion of the City Line.

Merseyrail is a commuter rail network which serves Liverpool City Region and adjacent areas of Cheshire and Lancashire in the North West of England. Merseyrail serves 69 stations, 67 of which it manages, across two lines – the Northern Line and the Wirral Line.

The network uses 750 V DC third rail third rail electrified lines having 76 mi (122 km) of routes, of which 6.5 miles (10.5 km) are underground. The network uses Class 777 trains based on the Stadler METRO.

The Merseyrail network was established in 1977, when existing railway lines were merged by constructing new tunnels under Liverpool city centre and Birkenhead. The network has since been extended at its peripheries, primarily by electrifying existing lines and transferring the electrified sections into Merseyrail. New stations have also been opened. A number of the Class 777 trains can operate using only batteries, which has allowed the Northern line to extend beyond the electrified track at Kirkby to a new terminus at Headbolt Lane. It is operated by Serco and Transport UK on behalf of Merseytravel, and carried 28.3 million passengers in 2023/2024.

Merseyrail has its origins in the underground Mersey Railway of 1886, which forms the core, being the world's second underground passenger railway after the 1863 Metropolitan Railway, now a part of London Underground. The network has a number world firsts.

Thoughts? Danners430 _{tweaks made} 10:12, 8 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Fine. Although note that the route length is now 122 km (and is cited). I would also add that the network is operated under concession for Merseytravel by Serco and Transport UK. Also keep the ridership figure. Drop the footnote - it's of marginal interest to spotters only and is already used in the infobox. 10mmsocket (talk) 10:22, 8 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Made the update above Danners430 _{tweaks made} 10:27, 8 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@NeoJade I notice you updated the lede - would you like to contribute to the above suggestion? Danners430 _{tweaks made} 19:13, 9 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"Merseyrail has its origins in the underground Mersey Railway of 1886, which forms the core, being the world's second underground passenger railway after the 1863 Metropolitan Railway, now a part of London Underground. The network has a number world firsts."

I can't find a single source that actually cites this, hence its removal when I edited the lede.

Additionally the lede above contains alot of duplicate information or just unnecessary info, hence the lede I wrote for the article

Happy for you to expand upon the lede I have written, but I don't think the aboved stated lede is the way to go, personally. NeoJade ^Talk/_Contribs 00:31, 10 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"Merseyrail is a commuter rail network which serves the Liverpool City Region, and the surrounding areas, in the North West of England.

It was established in 1977, when existing railway lines were connected by constructing new tunnels under Liverpool City Centre and Birkenhead. The network has since been expanded, with new stations built, and electrification of existing lines. Today, Merseyrail serves 69 stations, 67 of which it manages, across two lines – the Northern line and the Wirral line. The network uses 750 V DC third rail electrified lines having 76 miles (122 km) of routes, of which 6.5 miles (10.5 km) are underground. The network uses the Class 777 trains based on the Stadler METRO platform. The network carried 28.3 million passengers in 2023/2024."

being the current lede

Obviously, I missed out a bit on the operated by bit, which does need inclusion - I don't think anything related to Headbolt lane needs to be included, nor "new stations have opened". Thats, in my opinion, further reading, and really not lede worthy. hence why I condensed that whole bit down to "The network has since been expanded, with new stations built, and electrification of existing lines."

when I wrote the current lede, I took the sockpuppets edit, removed city line inclusion (and forgot to remove the M Metro thing) and then just went through it line by line and cleared things out where necessary. NeoJade ^Talk/_Contribs 00:42, 10 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Past incident to possibly be added to "accidents and incidents"

I remembered this incident earlier today (I was one of the passengers stranded in the tunnel) and while I don't have access to edit the page myself, I'd like to offer the news article as a source in case anyone with access thinks it's worth adding to the "accidents and incidents" section. The incident was a fire in 2006 that led to a power cut, leaving the train stranded in the tunnel between Hamilton Square and James Street. We were eventually evacuated and led down the tunnel back to Hamilton Square station. [1] RaniTheCyborg (talk) 20:10, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This incident was no doubt distressing for those involved, but is it really notable in Wikipedia terms? In fact, the same would apply to some of the other incidents listed in this section of the article. After all, there must have been thousands of cases of stranded trains, fires on trains, minor collisions, derailments, trains overrunning buffers, etc. on British railways over the years. Is it right that Wikipedia should document all of them? Mike Marchmont (talk) 13:28, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you Mike. 10mmsocket (talk) 13:46, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That's fair. I wasn't sure about the notability of this (mostly it seemed important due to its proximity to Network Rail refusing to let Merseytravel take over Merseyrail's maintenance according to the article) but I guess it is a lot more common than I realised. The line for what should be documented does like a very difficult one to figure out. RaniTheCyborg (talk) 14:49, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]